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House Hansard - 13

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 8, 2021 02:00PM
Context: House Hansard - 13 - Dec/8/21
Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:52:41 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am happy that my hon. colleague wants to talk about something of substance, and so let us talk about the CEBA, which helped over 898,000 small businesses survive. Think of the families, think of the people that helped to afford housing and to make ends meet.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:52:56 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am glad to know that the minister does not think housing or debt are matters of substance. Back to the CERB fraud. How many people not in Canada got the CERB?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:53:06 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the wage subsidy helped over 450,000 employers keep more than 5.3 million employees on the payroll. That is our track record.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:53:14 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the question was about the CERB, not the wage subsidy. How many people not in Canada got the CERB?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:53:21 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am not sure the hon. member heard me say that, when we are talking about substance, we are talking about Canadians who were supported in a timely manner through the CERB.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:53:28 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I think the problem is he is not hearing me. The question was about the CERB. FINTRAC says that people who do not even live in Canada were getting the CERB. How many of them got it?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:53:40 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the data that I have shows very clearly that nine million Canadians who lost their jobs were supported by the CERB when COVID hit.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:53:47 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, did the minister just say nine million people not living in Canada got the CERB?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:53:51 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I did not say that.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:53:55 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, how many?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:53:58 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, nine million Canadians living in Canada were supported by the CERB. Think about that. It is transformative.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:54:03 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, who will pay for the fraudulent CERB recipients?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:54:07 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the rent subsidy helped more than 230,000 businesses survive.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:54:12 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, fraudulent CERB recipients was the question. How many?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:54:16 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, nine million Canadians were supported by the CERB.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:54:20 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, so the only number we are getting is nine million when I ask how many people took the CERB who did not live in Canada. If nine million is not the right number, which number is?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:54:31 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, maybe the hon. member would like to know about the CEBA, which helped over 898,000 small businesses survive.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:54:37 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, why is the minister hiding the true number of people not living in Canada who got the CERB?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 7:54:45 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, following a steep decline of 27% in the first half of 2020, corporate profits rebounded 61% above pre-pandemic levels.
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Hon. Pierre Poilievre
  • Dec/8/21 7:54:52 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, could we replace the minister with a cassette tape that we could just hit “play” on?
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