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House Hansard - 13

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 8, 2021 02:00PM
Context: House Hansard - 13 - Dec/8/21
Ms. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:25:34 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I will give the minister the answer. It is 18% and it is right on the government's website. What is the maximum dollar value increase from this year to next year a business will have to pay in CPP employer contributions?
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Hon. Mona Fortier
  • Dec/8/21 8:25:53 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, as we know, we are currently doing a regulatory review and we will continue to make sure businesses do not have too much of a burden on their—
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The Chair
  • Dec/8/21 8:26:05 p.m.
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The hon. member for Kelowna—Lake Country.
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Ms. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:26:07 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I was referring to CPP increases. What is the dollar value that businesses will pay for the CPP maximum employer contributions per employee?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault (Minister of Tourism and Associate Minister of Finance, Lib.)
  • Dec/8/21 8:26:25 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the CPP increase is there to make sure that the system is in place for future generations. It is an agreed-upon framework over the next 10 years.
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Ms. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:26:34 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, on Friday when I asked the government about CPP premium increases that businesses are facing in 2022, the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry said, “this is not an increase.” Can the minister confirm today that the CPP premiums are not going up for businesses in 2022?
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Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos (Minister of Health, Lib.)
  • Dec/8/21 8:26:57 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, because of this historic change in the CPP that we made quickly in 2016, there is going to be a decrease of 25% in poverty among seniors over the next years.
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Ms. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:27:12 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the question was about how much businesses are paying. Once again, the Minister of Innovation made this comment on Friday. To gain clarification for Canadian businesses, is this an increase or is there no increase in 2022?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 8:27:31 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, there was an incremental increase that was agreed on in the framework set in place in 2016. This is to make sure that CPP is in place and able to do as my colleague said, reduce poverty but secure retirement for Canadians for generations to come.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:27:44 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, now we have clarity from the comments that the other minister made on Friday. Could the minister tell us the average amount of debt individual small businesses have taken on over the course of the pandemic?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 8:27:57 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, businesses were supported, nine million businesses, by CEBA. That is the metric that we are following.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:28:09 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, what is the average amount of debt? Surely the government should know this answer.
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 8:28:13 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, our government is here to support Canadian businesses. What we did during the pandemic is what we will continue to do as we come through this.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:28:21 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, does the minister acknowledge that some small businesses will likely have to go more into debt to afford the upcoming payroll tax increases?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 8:28:32 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, confidence is back and 106% of the jobs are recovered. Businesses are recovering. Businesses can afford the increases.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:28:42 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the finance minister often likes to quote people, so here is the quote from the CFIB: “Pausing the rise in CPP premiums for small businesses is one of the top priorities for CFIB.” Does the minister agree?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 8:28:53 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, pre-pandemic business confidence was high during the pandemic and it is back to pre-pandemic levels. Businesses have already included the CPP increases in their forecasts. They can afford this.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:29:11 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I am a little in shock with that answer considering how much small businesses have been through over the last two years. How many small businesses has the government consulted regarding the 2022 payroll tax increases?
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Hon. Randy Boissonnault
  • Dec/8/21 8:29:27 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the CEBA helped over 898,000 small businesses survive. We will continue to support small businesses.
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Mrs. Tracy Gray
  • Dec/8/21 8:29:36 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I was not referring to the CEBA. I was talking about CPP payroll tax increases. How many business groups has the government consulted on these increases?
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