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Feb/19/22 12:21:31 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the Bloc and the Conservatives keep saying things are fine at the Ambassador Bridge in the Windsor area, when they are not. If I could pick up my computer and walk two kilometres down the road, I could show the barriers that are now in the community. Why is my friend from the Bloc abandoning the francophone population in my region? West of Montreal, this is the oldest Francophonie settlement. We have a number of different individuals who are now impacted, not just their businesses, but also going to medical appointments and going to their jobs. There is a whole series of things that are still there. Why do they insist there is no problem? Why has the Bloc abandoned the Francophonie population, a settlement in the Windsor-Essex County area since the 1700s?

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Mr. René Villemure

Feb/19/22 12:22:17 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I cannot believe what I am hearing. We are not abandoning anyone. Contrary to what the member is insinuating, we are not the ones talking about “anglophones”, “francophones”, “racialized” and “non-racialized” people. We are talking about everyone. We have to deal with this situation for everyone, as complete equals. The member's comment is malicious. I do not agree.

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Mr. Robert Kitchen (Souris—Moose Mountain, CPC)

Feb/19/22 12:22:43 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague from Trois-Rivières for his speech and also commend him and his colleagues for their speeches, which have clearly indicated that the government has not shown any justification for why this should be coming forward and imposing this upon Canadians. I am sure they have heard from their constituents, just as I have, about the non-confidence in the Prime Minister and the overstepping of boundaries he is doing with this move. He is picking and choosing what is going on. A concern that has been mentioned about the act is the fact that it is opening up doors for financial implications. The reality is that we see the Prime Minister making these choices. Are there concerns in Quebec that this could be extrapolated to other groups and organizations within Quebec, just like with Coastal GasLink in—

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)

Feb/19/22 12:23:38 p.m.
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I must give the hon. member for Trois-Rivières a few seconds to respond.

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Mr. René Villemure

Feb/19/22 12:23:43 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I could not agree more. We have to be very careful. This kind of legislation can serve the public good, but it has to be more specific. This one does not meet the fundamental criteria.

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Mr. Luc Desilets (Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, BQ)

Feb/19/22 12:23:59 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the Bloc Québécois strongly condemns the occupation, the siege and the blockades. That is clear, and I hope nobody will ever doubt it. I refuse to play the game the Liberals and the NDP MPs want to play. I think it is deplorable. Do not ask me to just go along with it. This order is utterly out of proportion. It could destroy our freedoms. The Liberals deployed it in the hope that we would not notice their incompetence and their sloppy, pathetic handling of the crisis. This government, and particularly this Prime Minister, were asleep at the switch for three weeks. As my leader said, out of nowhere, they dropped a nuclear bomb, the Emergencies Act. Our role as BQ MPs is to protect our constituents from these bad federal government decisions. Taking coercive action without taking Quebec's opinion into account was a very bad decision. The government had police forces at its disposal. They were capable of taking action; they had the tools to do so. Unfortunately, the government waited too long. As my leader said, it is obvious that a truck parked on the white lines of a public roadway, even if it is just for a minute and a half, is breaking several laws. Let us talk about existing laws. Subsection 430(1) of the Criminal Code reads as follows: 430 (1) Every one commits mischief who wilfully (c) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property; or (d) obstructs, interrupts or interferes with any person in the lawful use, enjoyment or operation of property. Note that property here can refer to a road, bridge, tunnel or port. The right to protest is a recognized right. However, a protest can be declared illegal for several reasons. For instance, section 63(1) of the Criminal Code states, and I quote: 63 (1) An unlawful assembly is an assembly of three or more persons who, with intent to carry out any common purpose, assemble in such a manner or so conduct themselves when they are assembled as to cause persons in the neighbourhood of the assembly to fear, on reasonable grounds, that they (a) will disturb the peace tumultuously; or (b) will by that assembly needlessly and without reasonable cause provoke other persons to disturb the peace tumultuously. Both types of mischief constitute offences that have been perpetrated continuously for 23 days. Individual freedom does have its limits. We were already at that point a few weeks ago. This is not a new problem. A free and democratic society forms the basis of our social contract. The Prime Minister should clearly have woken up sooner. He knew that the Ottawa Police Service did not have the staff to manage this crisis, and he did nothing to help. On February 10, Ottawa asked for an additional 1,800 police officers. The federal government sent 275. That is not too bad. However, they were mainly assigned to the Prime Minister and Parliament. In reality, 20 police officers were added to the detail monitoring the protesters. That is embarrassing and shameful. Suddenly, on day 16 of the occupation, the Prime Minister woke up and spoke about the nuclear option, the Emergencies Act. The government says it is justified in invoking this act, so let us talk about the justification or the lack thereof. Since Monday, the government has used its order to financially punish and literally ruin the protesters and their associated entities. Did we then see the protesters run away with their tails between their legs? No. Everyone is talking about one case that was reported on the news two days ago, I believe, the only known case, the only recorded case. The protesters have remained, more determined than ever, now convinced that they are living under a dictatorship. This government provoked them and continues to provoke them. The Economist wrote that this act could make the situation worse. I think it hit the nail on the head. It was right on. The second thing covered by this order in council is the much-talked-about towing logistics. Tow truck drivers in the area apparently did not want to use their equipment to tow the trucks. The government could have looked to bring in tow trucks from outside the national capital, which would have eliminated the need for this order in council. When there is a big storm that causes massive damage in Sherbrooke, what happens? People from Saguenay will show up quickly to help. That is how it works in Quebec, at least. People come from far and away to help. All you have to do is ask. Furthermore, the Bloc Québécois offered to form an all-party crisis task force in the early days of the occupation. We wanted to work together to address this effectively. The Prime Minister took his time agreeing. He wound up backed into a corner and said yes. The Bloc Québécois wanted and still wants to help the country get out of this mess, this terrible crisis. The reality on the ground is that the police are now doing their job and they did not need this order to do it. They needed more people. The Bloc Québécois is opposed to this legislation because it was and still is sufficient to allocate as many police officers and resources as necessary to each site, for example to the Ambassador Bridge and Coutts. A moment ago, I was talking about solidarity. I would like to express my gratitude to the Sûreté du Québec officers who came to lend a hand to our Ontario neighbours. I would also like to express my deep admiration to the seven police forces that have been here in Ottawa since Friday and who are doing an extraordinary job of removing the occupiers. They are professional, methodical and effective. I have nothing but praise for them. By the way, there are not many NDP members here today, so maybe the NDP is reconsidering its position. At least that is what we hope. After all, only fools do not change their minds.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)

Feb/19/22 12:31:46 p.m.
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The hon. member for Longueuil—Charles‑LeMoyne on a point of order.

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Mrs. Sherry Romanado

Feb/19/22 12:31:59 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the hon. member opposite knows full well that he is not allowed to mention the absence or presence of members.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)

Feb/19/22 12:32:08 p.m.
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Indeed. I thank the member for reminding me. I would ask the hon. member to wait until his microphone is on before apologizing. The hon. member for Rivière-des-Mille-Îles.

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Mr. Luc Desilets

Feb/19/22 12:32:27 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I understand, and therefore I will not mention the absence of the NDP members.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)

Feb/19/22 12:32:32 p.m.
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I would remind the hon. member that he is doubling down on the comment for which the point of order was just raised. I would therefore ask him to withdraw his comments without saying anything further.

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Mr. Luc Desilets

Feb/19/22 12:32:37 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I was a bit unruly and I apologize.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)

Feb/19/22 12:32:45 p.m.
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The member for Windsor West, on a point of order.

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Mr. Brian Masse

Feb/19/22 12:32:55 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we all know that one cannot do inadvertently what one cannot do overtly. Members of the NDP are here online, just as other members are, so that is an irresponsible comment and a cheap parlour trick.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)

Feb/19/22 12:33:00 p.m.
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Indeed, that is what I said to the hon. member. The hon. member for Rivière-des-Mille-Îles.

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Mr. Luc Desilets

Feb/19/22 12:33:19 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I withdraw my remarks. The Canadian Civil Liberties Association announced that it would challenge the Emergencies Act in court. The group stated that the government already had the tools to address the situation and that the order was unnecessary, unjustifiable and unconstitutional. We could not agree more. Amnesty International has expressed concern about some aspects of the order that are vague and could result in rights abuses, especially relating to the geographic limitations. That is the message we have been driving home since Thursday. This act is disproportionate and overly broad. It certainly should not include Quebec, nor should it include the other six provinces that disagree with the order. However, I completely agree with my Liberal colleagues that the occupation must be cleared out as soon as possible. Unfortunately, as we have said over and over, and as I will now say again, this has to happen in stages. To summarize, this law of last resort does little to resolve the current situation, but it does a lot to discredit Quebec and Canada on the international stage. It does a lot to threaten one of our fundamental freedoms. The Bloc Québécois absolutely does not support the use of this act. It is unfortunate that we should have to spend three days debating it. It is even sadder considering that we are witnessing the dismantling of the occupation outside as we speak.

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Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)

Feb/19/22 12:35:17 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I want to acknowledge the Province of Quebec and thank it for intervening and helping us with the illegal blockade we have outside. This is a national problem, and what is happening in Ottawa is not the only issue we are dealing with. We are dealing with issues from one part of the country to another, and that is why we need the Emergencies Act. I would like to know if my hon. colleague is supportive of having the SQ continue to help us. It is helping us very importantly outside right now.

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Mr. Luc Desilets

Feb/19/22 12:35:58 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it is absolutely extraordinary that the Sûreté du Québec is helping Ontario and British Columbia. We stand together. The provinces will be excellent neighbours for us, and we will continue to stand together. That is clear. According to most newspapers, there is not much going on outside of Ottawa. Basically all the protests and blockades have been cleared.

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Mr. John Brassard (Barrie—Innisfil, CPC)

Feb/19/22 12:36:28 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the Minister of Justice revealed yesterday that the financial provisions of the Emergencies Act were aimed more at punishing political opponents than at actually fighting crime. Can members imagine living in a country like Canada where a law or an act is designed to beat down political dissent on the part of opposition parties. That could include the Bloc Québécois, for example. I am interested in the member's comments on that.

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Mr. Luc Desilets

Feb/19/22 12:37:13 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, this is another great opportunity for me. I asked that question this morning but did not get an answer. We are talking about finances. The order is meant to affect the personal finances of truckers, except it has unintended consequences. I think it is wrong. People's bank accounts are being frozen. This morning I asked whether they would be frozen for a week or a month. How long will these accounts be frozen? Will it affect people's credit ratings? This could destroy people.

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