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May/5/22 10:48:41 a.m.
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All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay. Some hon. members: Nay. The Deputy Speaker: I want to thank the member for his intervention. We will respond back as soon as practical on his point. The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.

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Mr. Peter Julian (New Westminster—Burnaby, NDP)

May/5/22 10:49:06 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we will be consulting the Blues of course. I would like to reserve a possible intervention on this later today.

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Mr. Sébastien Lemire (Abitibi—Témiscamingue, BQ)

May/5/22 10:49:30 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, if what the member for Simcoe—Grey says is true, it is extremely concerning. The Bloc Québécois would also like to reserve the right to intervene later in a potential debate.

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The Deputy Speaker

May/5/22 10:49:35 a.m.
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I hope to have a response from both parties fairly quickly. I recognize the parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.

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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)

May/5/22 10:49:59 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, now we are on to the concurrence amendment that the government House leader has attempted to set for the agenda today. As I have indicated in the past, one of the things I have learned over the past seven years is that, from the very beginning, the Conservative Party has been more focused on character assassination, whether it is of the Prime Minister or of other ministers, than on the different types of substantial policies. Instead of talking about substantive measures, whether it was seven years ago, talking about tax breaks for middle-class Canadians, or during the pandemic, talking about its issues, or just weeks ago, talking about the new federal budget that is being very well received by Canadians, the Conservatives are more focused on one thing, and that is those personal attacks. We are supposed to be debating the budget implementation bill today; therefore, while I am on my feet at this point in time, I would move, seconded by the hon. member for Milton: That the House do now proceed to orders of the day.

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The Deputy Speaker

May/5/22 10:51:39 a.m.
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If a member of a recognized party in the House wishes to request a recorded division or that the motion be adopted on division, I would invite them to rise and please indicate it to the Chair.

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Mr. John Brassard

May/5/22 10:52:03 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we absolutely want a recorded division.

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The Deputy Speaker

May/5/22 10:52:03 a.m.
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Call in the members.

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The Deputy Speaker

May/5/22 11:35:45 a.m.
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I declare the motion carried.

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Mr. John Brassard

May/5/22 11:35:52 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. For your benefit, I just want to advise that the official opposition offered three more hours of debate. The Liberals and the NDP rejected that.

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The Deputy Speaker

May/5/22 11:36:23 a.m.
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The member for Kings—Hants has four minutes and 25 seconds left.

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Mr. Kody Blois (Kings—Hants, Lib.)

May/5/22 11:36:33 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-19

Mr. Speaker, I will carry on right where I left off, which is talking about how I think it is extremely important, as it relates to health care, that this budget makes clear that we will be working with provinces and territories on foreign credentialing. I know there have been a number of examples in my home province of Nova Scotia, where there are individuals who have come to our province, who want to be able to practise in their particular field of health and have not been able to do so. Yes, we have to work with provinces and territories and colleges to balance public trust in our system, but also to make sure that this process can be expedited, such that if there are people who want to help practise and help support our health care system, they are taken care of. I also want to talk about tax credits. We had tax credits for CCUS, which is carbon capture, utilization and storage. What I would say to the House is that in 2050, there undoubtedly will still be an oil and gas sector in the global context, but estimates by the International Energy Agency suggest that the number of barrels per day will go from about 100 million down to around about 25 million, give or take. I think we all, as parliamentarians and indeed as a country, have an important reflection to make when it comes to whether Canada is going to be a part of that market, the 25 million barrels of oil a day. I, for one, as a parliamentarian, feel that yes, we have a responsibility, but in a carbon-constrained world in which there is going to be less demand on that side, we have to make sure that our GHG intensity per barrel is as low as possible. We took some criticism in the House on our decision on Bay du Nord, but that project was approved because it has some of the lowest emission intensity per barrel of oil in the world. We have to make sure that if we are going to be working with industry to reduce emissions in order to be able to meet our emission reduction targets, we also have to be positioning the sector to be the lowest-emitting oil and gas sector in the world, such that our products can continue to be competitive in the days ahead. I tip my cap, then, to the government on the CCUS tax credit. Critical minerals, if we are going to be able to get to our climate targets, are going to play an extremely important role, from batteries in EV vehicles to potash to a whole host of different minerals that play a role in that. Canada has so much potential, and the fact that we had $3.8 billion toward the development of a critical mineral strategy is a really extremely important piece, as is the 30% tax credit for exploration in the country. I think we have a tremendous opportunity on a global stage to be there and to make sure we have a role. I was in Saskatchewan, as I have mentioned. I sat down with the Saskatchewan Mining Association, along with our Minister of Natural Resources. They pointed to this as being extremely important. The last thing I will say is on the importance in the budget of economic growth, which the Minister of Finance made very clear in the budget document. The budget implementation act talks about a number of the measures that are important in that domain. I fully support that from where I sit here in the House, particularly the Canada Growth Fund, the recognition that we need to continue to drive innovation; 15 billion dollars' worth of capitalization; the innovation and investment agency, which is focused on attracting foreign capital to the country to drive the future economy and our future prosperity; and, finally, more money for the superclusters. In our neck of the woods, in Atlantic Canada, the ocean superclusters do tremendous work. These are all really important initiatives. I also want to emphasize the importance of reducing interprovincial trade barriers and harmonizing certification between provinces and territories to improve labour mobility. A recent Senate report noted that our economy's GDP could grow between 2% and 4% if we focused on this area. World-class wine production is a growing sector in my riding of Kings—Hants. However, in many cases it is easier for these producers to export to Europe than to other provinces, so I was pleased that the budget mentioned working on this with the provinces and territories.

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Mr. Jean-Denis Garon (Mirabel, BQ)

May/5/22 11:41:34 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-19

Mr. Speaker, my colleague's comments about Canada's critical mineral potential were spot on. Quebec has a lot of potential there too. The budget includes a very nice map of the minerals located in Quebec, but it says absolutely nothing about ensuring that processing will happen here, which would be consistent with the Government of Quebec's strategy. Can the member tell me if his government has already taken steps to make sure these minerals are processed in Quebec, or will minerals be extracted here and then sent off to Toronto for the value add?

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Mr. Kody Blois

May/5/22 11:42:06 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-19

Mr. Speaker, I thank my colleague for his question. The Government of Canada is working with the Government of Quebec on issues from housing and environmental initiatives to natural resource development and essential critical minerals. I know our government will work with the Province of Quebec and every other Canadian province.

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Mr. Robert Kitchen (Souris—Moose Mountain, CPC)

May/5/22 11:42:47 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-19

Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for Kings—Hants for his talk about the CCUS. I have the only working carbon capture and storage facility, on a coal-fired power plant that produces energy for Saskatchewan. I am so glad to hear he has been to Saskatchewan, and I would invite him and arrange for him to have a tour of the CCUS facility, so he actually understands what it truly means to capture that CO2 and put it in the ground. My question is a very simple one. Is it the industry we want to kill, or is it the emissions?

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Mr. Kody Blois

May/5/22 11:43:27 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-19

Mr. Speaker, I think I was very clear in my remarks that there will be a role for Canadian oil and gas in the days ahead. I have mentioned the fact that the global markets are changing and that countries around the world are focused on a transition to a lower-carbon economy. We need to be serious about reducing emissions associated with the production of fossil fuels. That is going to be driven by innovation, similar to what the member has suggested with some of the CCUS innovation that is happening in his province of Saskatchewan. I think the ERP actually represents an important opportunity for Canadian industry to recognize that we have to reduce emissions. CEOs with energy companies in Canada understand that. We as parliamentarians need to understand this is part of an important transition to fight climate change, but also to be on a competitive footing in the days ahead in global markets.

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Ms. Bonita Zarrillo (Port Moody—Coquitlam, NDP)

May/5/22 11:44:17 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-19

Mr. Speaker, I have a question around the Canada disability benefit. We are approaching a year since the benefit was initially introduced in this House, and the disability community was expecting to see it in budget 2022. Why is the Canada disability benefit not in budget 2022?

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Mr. Kody Blois

May/5/22 11:44:45 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-19

Mr. Speaker, I know this has been part of the discussion throughout the budget process that is under way here. I will say that I think this government has stepped up to try to provide important social supports across the board. Members have to recognize that this is budget 2022, but we were elected in 2021 for a four-year mandate. Notwithstanding the fact that I know many members in this House, including this one, understand the importance of supporting individuals with disabilities, this was just the first budget of a four-year cycle, and I suspect we will be working as a government to address some of the challenges and opportunities that the member has highlighted.

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Mr. Mike Morrice (Kitchener Centre, GP)

May/5/22 11:45:30 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-19

Mr. Speaker, I thank the member for Kings—Hants for his speech. He is a member that I have a great amount of respect for. That being said, when the member mentioned a tip of the cap to carbon capture and storage, we need to be honest: If we want even a 50% chance of staying below 1.5°C and ensuring a livable planet, we need to do our fair share. That means, as scientists have told us, that we need to leave 86% of Canada's proven fossil fuel reserves unextracted. To do so means investing in workers. I wonder if the member would be open to commenting on the importance of the implications of taking that same $7.1 billion, in a new subsidy, and instead investing that in workers and a just transition for them.

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Mr. Kody Blois

May/5/22 11:46:12 a.m.
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Re: Bill C-19

Mr. Speaker, let me just say that I have great respect for the member opposite as well. I take the view that we look at the transition in an energy context in a low-carbon economy. This is not easy. We are talking about Canada: As rich and as powerful a country as we are, we are still going to need that energy in the days ahead. We may differ in terms of our approach, but I really believe that we need to be focused on emissions reduction. We need to be investing in the technologies that are going to help make Canadian industry competitive for the product that is still going to be needed in the days ahead, notwithstanding the significant transition that we will be taking. As it relates to a just transition, I am not a big fan of the word, as our Minister of Labour has talked about. I really think that it is important to focus on giving the skills and tools to develop a workforce for the future. We have 900,000 jobs in this country, and there are workers, regardless of whether or not they are in the oil and gas sector, who have skills that will be used across it. I think it is all about skills development, because those folks are still going to be important for whatever type of energy future we have in the days ahead.

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