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House Hansard - 73

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 17, 2022 10:00AM
  • May/17/22 1:17:30 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, that was a great speech. I am really glad that my colleague on the other side of the House gave a speech that talked about the importance of carbon capture, utilization and storage in our economy, and how important a part of the budget it is. However, I will remind him that it goes nowhere as far as making Canada competitive with carbon capture regimes around the world, including the United States and Norway, with whom we compete. Why are we not competitive with those two very important environmental jurisdictions? Also, why is this carbon capture credit not in the budget implementation bill? That is what we are debating in the House. If it is so important, why are we not advancing this more quickly and in a more competitive way than we are currently?
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  • May/17/22 1:19:22 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I listened closely to my colleague, and I have some reservations. I do not think it is right to use science only when it serves one's purposes. A group of 400 academics wrote that carbon capture is not a good idea for the oil and gas sector. A number of experts told us in committee that carbon capture could meet the needs of cement factories or heavy industrial processes, but it is a pipe dream for the oil and gas sector. I would like to know whether my colleague agrees with these 400 experts that carbon capture should apply only to very specific sectors but not the oil and gas sector.
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  • May/17/22 4:50:53 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I appreciate the words of the member for Vaughan—Woodbridge in regard to carbon capture. I am sure he is aware that the 14 of us from Saskatchewan have been, for years, encouraging the government to look at that and realize that in Saskatchewan we have been developing this whole program in Estevan, Saskatchewan, for a long time. There have been 4,402,000,073 tonnes of carbon capture, since this establishment was developed, going into the ground. Can the member please explain to me, if he is concerned about sequestering and doing what is best for the environment, why his government is not taking advantage of getting that last bit of oil, which is significant, out of the ground from pumps that already exist, rather than creating more greenhouse gases by having to develop more pumps?
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  • May/17/22 4:54:11 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, as I said to the member for Kitchener, very clearly, carbon capture and storage is one tool we will utilize in working with industry and stakeholders. I would like to remind the hon. member that we put $4.4 billion in home energy retrofits and loan and grant programs that Canadians are utilizing today.
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  • May/17/22 5:04:22 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, carbon capture and storage is necessary. I would think that even my friends in the New Democratic Party and Green Party would acknowledge that to be a fact. Going forward, investment in technology could assist the world in being a healthier place, if technology continues to advance in that direction. Does the NDP have a position on carbon capture and storage? Is it in favour of that kind of technology?
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  • May/17/22 5:05:06 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we would support it if it worked and if we had scientific evidence that it could be used and would help us make progress. Some 80% of greenhouse gas emissions come from the burning of oil, not the life cycle fraction of the barrel of oil when it is extracted. In the United States, 80% of carbon capture projects have failed. There is even a Shell carbon capture operation near Edmonton that produces more greenhouse gas emissions than it captures.
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