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House Hansard - 75

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 19, 2022 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 75 - May/19/22
Mr. Kyle Seeback (Dufferin—Caledon, CPC)
  • May/19/22 1:08:42 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think the frustration that stems from most reasonable people in this chamber is about the fact that when a question is asked, what experts are you relying upon? What is the advice that has been given? Share that advice with Canadians. If you have reports or expert advice saying we cannot open this airport or we cannot remove restrictions and here is why, why not share it? The fact of the matter is that they do not have it, and that is why they will not table it. If you had it, you would table it. Any reasonable person would, but we are not dealing with reasonable people or rationality. Why will they not table this advice now?
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/19/22 1:09:31 p.m.
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I would remind the hon. member that I cannot table anything. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • May/19/22 1:09:38 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I can tell the member that the one health expert we are not listening to is the member for Carleton. At the end of the day, we have health experts from across the country. We have individuals who have a background in science, and we will continue to work with those individuals in ensuring that the public policy we present is sound. As the chief public health officer of Canada has indicated, we do have reviews that are ongoing. Why? That is the responsible thing to do. To throw their hands up in the air months ago and say mandates are useless and not necessary is highly irresponsible.
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Mr. Luc Desilets (Rivière-des-Mille-Îles, BQ)
  • May/19/22 1:10:37 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I would like to remind my colleague from Winnipeg North that his mother always told him to try to bring something positive to a conversation. I remember that. On a more serious note, I would like my colleague to explain what ArriveCAN is. I came back from a mission a few weeks ago and was met with what, in my opinion, was totally useless bureaucracy. Therefore, I would like him to explain to me what the purpose of ArriveCAN is.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • May/19/22 1:11:14 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, members will recall that at the beginning of my comments I talked about today being a special day, Vyshyvanka Day, and that is why we are wearing these wonderful shirts and blouses. Right after saying that, I said that my mom always told me to try to say something nice, and that was the nice thing I had to say. The rest was just to try to enlighten my Conservative friends in regard to the negatives of following blindly the member for Carleton, because what he is talking about is not in the best interests of the health and well-being of Canadians.
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Mr. Taylor Bachrach (Skeena—Bulkley Valley, NDP)
  • May/19/22 1:11:58 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I would offer that when legitimate questions are not answered directly, it erodes public trust at a time when we need public trust more than ever. I support vaccination and public health as much as anyone in this place, but there are legitimate questions about the vaccine mandates for domestic air travel, and the government refuses to provide the basic information that we need to defend those policies. Why is that?
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • May/19/22 1:12:30 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am not 100% sure exactly what the member is getting at. I believe we have been very clear as a government that we continue to listen to what the department and health experts and science are telling us. If the member is saying that he needs to hear first-hand some of that, he might want to approach the Minister of Health or the parliamentary secretary and we might be able to accommodate him. I am sure the member can appreciate that other jurisdictions also have health experts and there have been times when they, too, have had lockdowns, curfews and mandatory masking indoors or outdoors. There is quite a smorgasbord of activities dealing with mandates and I am more than happy to sit down personally—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/19/22 1:13:27 p.m.
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Resuming debate, the hon. Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Infrastructure and Communities.
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Ms. Jennifer O'Connell (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs, Infrastructure and Communities, Lib.)
  • May/19/22 1:13:32 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am glad to rise today and follow my friend and colleague, the parliamentary secretary, on this important debate. The challenge here is that, continuously, we see from the Conservative Party this idea of trying to politicize the health and safety of Canadians throughout this pandemic. I had the great pleasure and responsibility of being the parliamentary secretary to the former minister of health during a large portion of the pandemic. I sat through committee meeting after committee meeting with our health officials and with experts, witnesses and members from all sides of the House. Instead, in the heart of the pandemic and of dealing with some of these most crucial issues, the Conservatives chose to be obstructionist and chose to just attack and “own” the Liberals at every stage of this pandemic. When I sit here and see the opposition day motion that we have in front of us, it brings me back to those days, remembering what the Conservatives actually brought to the debate and brought to our country during one of the most challenging times that I think many generations will see. I am reminded of those days when I had the opportunity to serve our government in that role. I remember the Conservatives screaming and shouting, saying that we need to close the borders, that we need stricter mandates and that we need all of these things, and then, when we do those things, they scream and say to get rid of mandates and get rid of masks. At no point did they ever base it on science, facts or evidence. They based it only on “owning” the Liberals. If they had any ability to actually govern in this country, Canada would be in serious trouble, because their policy playbook is simply the opposite of the Liberals. The members continue to heckle me because they cannot stand a member standing on this side of the House “owning” them, and that is precisely what—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/19/22 1:16:09 p.m.
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I apologize for interrupting the parliamentary secretary, but can we have some order in the House? The hon. member for Prince Albert is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Randy Hoback
  • May/19/22 1:16:13 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, she “owns” me? I find that very offensive.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/19/22 1:16:17 p.m.
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I am sorry, but I did not hear that. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Ms. Jennifer O'Connell
  • May/19/22 1:16:26 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member opposite misheard. I did not say I own him. I said that when it comes to the policy debate, we are “owning” the Conservatives on the legitimate policy debate. While I am sorry I have hurt the member's feelings, if that is his issue—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/19/22 1:16:43 p.m.
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The hon. member for Prince Albert is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Randy Hoback
  • May/19/22 1:16:45 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think I have to pursue this, because she is trying to regenerate a different dialogue. What she said was, “We own him.” If we could please check the Hansard—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/19/22 1:16:54 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary is rising on the same point of order.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • May/19/22 1:16:56 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, as the expression is known, the expression “we own you on this” does not mean that we literally own—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/19/22 1:17:06 p.m.
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We are getting into debate. I ask the hon. Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs not to use those expressions. The hon. member for Prince Albert is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Randy Hoback
  • May/19/22 1:17:14 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, between that and “just inflation”—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • May/19/22 1:17:17 p.m.
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We are getting into debate. I am asking the hon. parliamentary secretary to refrain from using those expressions. They are exciting matters. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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