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House Hansard - 75

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 19, 2022 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 75 - May/19/22
Mrs. Julie Vignola
  • May/19/22 7:32:14 p.m.
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Madam Chair, am I to understand that Seaspan and Irving did not have to wait for years?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 7:32:26 p.m.
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Madam Chair, again, at the end of the day, when the requirements are satisfied, then we can move forward. That is exactly what these processes are about. We want to make sure the requirements are satisfied.
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Mrs. Julie Vignola
  • May/19/22 7:32:41 p.m.
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Madam Chair, IBM, the company that created the Phoenix system, was also approached about creating an electronic passport system. How could the government approach that company when it knows what happened with Phoenix? How can the government ensure that the same disasters will not befall our highly confidential and private passport data?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 7:33:14 p.m.
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Madam Chair, when we are working with companies, we recognize the challenges that can arise. Phoenix is a perfect example of that. We inherited that challenge, and we are working to fix it. We are committed to fixing it, and we are putting significant resources into it because every public servant should be paid on time.
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Mrs. Julie Vignola
  • May/19/22 7:33:39 p.m.
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Madam Chair, why was IBM approached about the electronic passport system?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 7:33:48 p.m.
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Madam Chair, on the question the member is raising, if I have this right, it is a competitive process and it is with IRCC, which is the lead on that.
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Mrs. Julie Vignola
  • May/19/22 7:34:05 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I am wondering if there are companies in Canada that are capable of computer programming and creating an effective hacker-proof system or if we should rely solely on the Americans.
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 7:34:23 p.m.
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Madam Chair, in these procurement processes, we absolutely want to focus on domestic production and support domestic production and services. That is the route we take, and we are going to continue to take that route. My understanding is that there is expertise here.
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Mr. Gord Johns (Courtenay—Alberni, NDP)
  • May/19/22 7:34:47 p.m.
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Madam Chair, has the minister heard of the expert task force on substance use?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi (Minister of Public Services and Procurement, Lib.)
  • May/19/22 7:34:56 p.m.
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Madam Chair, in response to that, I would say that I appreciate the member's advocacy with respect to the opioid crisis that we are facing and I thank him for his work.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/19/22 7:35:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, that sounds like a no. This is a group of experts who were convened by Health Canada to make recommendations to the government on federal drug policy. The expert task force had five key messages related to Canada's substance use strategy. One message was, “Bold actions are urgently needed, including...the expansion of safer supply.” I asked the minister at the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates, on April 29, what she would do to procure a safer supply of controlled substances to address the toxic drug crisis. Has she taken any steps since then on this issue, such as reaching out to the Minister of Health or the Minister of Mental Health and Addictions?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 7:35:46 p.m.
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Madam Chair, again, I appreciate my colleague's advocacy on this, and I assure him that our government recognizes that problematic substance use is a health issue. With respect to a procurement perspective, PSPC procures, Health Canada is the client, and provinces deliver health care to provinces and territories.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/19/22 7:36:16 p.m.
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Madam Chair, have any of those ministers reached out to the minister for procurement?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 7:36:23 p.m.
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Madam Chair, again, just to be clear, it is provinces and territories that are responsible for the delivery of health care to provinces and territories. As the procurement minister, I will procure based on requests that come from Health Canada, and we work with provinces and territories, through the health minister, to determine what—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/19/22 7:36:47 p.m.
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The hon. member for Courtenay—Alberni.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/19/22 7:36:49 p.m.
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Madam Chair, here is a quote. It is something the minister wrote in the PSPC 2022-23 departmental plan. It says: Nearly two years into the COVID-19 pandemic, protecting the health and safety of Canadians remains a priority for the Government of Canada. PSPC will continue to play a central role in our response by procuring critical supplies, including vaccines, tests and therapeutics. It has now been over six years since British Columbia declared a public health emergency. Is the health and safety of some Canadians, like people who use drugs, not a priority for the government? Why has PSPC not played a central role in responding to this crisis?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 7:37:29 p.m.
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Madam Chair, again, we respond to provinces and territories. We have been working very closely with the provinces and territories. Provinces and territories have asked us for supplies. They have asked us for over 100 million vaccines; we have provided over 100 million vaccines. They have asked us for rapid tests; we have supplied over 600 million rapid tests. They have asked us for therapeutics; we have procured 1.7 million therapeutics. We have distributed these products to the provinces and territories because they have asked for them, and I want to thank all those who have worked so hard to make that possible.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/19/22 7:38:06 p.m.
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Madam Chair, is the minister saying she did not procure for any COVID response needs without direction completely from the provinces?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 7:38:16 p.m.
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Madam Chair, what I am saying is that we have been by the side of the provinces every step of the way, because we know that they are delivering for Canadians. Through this, we have responded to their requests and we are very pleased that we have been able to support them.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/19/22 7:38:29 p.m.
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Madam Chair, they have been requesting leadership. The mandate letter to the minister directs her to “[c]ontinue to procure COVID-19 therapeutics, tests and vaccines, for adults and children, to ensure all Canadians have access to free booster shots and second-generation vaccines as needed”, yet there is no mention of procuring a safer supply to address Canada's other ongoing public health emergency and overdose epidemic. Do you believe stigma has played a role in this lack of direction from the Prime Minister?
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