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House Hansard - 75

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 19, 2022 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 75 - May/19/22
Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:06:55 p.m.
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Madam Chair, what is the expected delivery date if the contract is signed this year?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:07:02 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the expected date is 2025 for the first delivery.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:07:08 p.m.
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Madam Chair, sources in the U.S. tell us that we are so late in procuring the F-35 that it will not be available until 2030. Is this correct?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:07:17 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the expected date of delivery at this point is 2025, based on negotiations.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:07:25 p.m.
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Madam Chair, why is it taking seven months or more to negotiate a contract?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:07:30 p.m.
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Madam Chair, this is a complex and complicated contract. It is a significant amount of money. We are going to get it right.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:07:36 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the terms and conditions have already been specified in the RFP and agreed to by Lockheed Martin, so why is there a seven-month delay?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:07:45 p.m.
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Madam Chair, there are actually a lot of details that have to be worked out. These are important details. Our military is depending on us. We are going to get it right.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:07:53 p.m.
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Madam Chair, wow. Other major purchases have been negotiated within months. Why is it taking seven months for the F-35?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:08:00 p.m.
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Madam Chair, this is the most significant investment in 30 years, and $19 billion is a lot of money to spend for Canadians.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:08:06 p.m.
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Madam Chair, for $19 billion, we would hope that we would at least know what the block number, model or type we would be getting of the F-35. What is the expected 30-year cost to purchase, operate and maintain the combatants—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/19/22 8:08:18 p.m.
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The hon. minister.
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:08:22 p.m.
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Madam Chair, again, it is in negotiations.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:08:27 p.m.
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Madam Chair, it is generally a two to three to one cost ratio to operate and maintain. The PBO said it is about $70 billion for the purchase, which leads to almost a quarter trillion dollars for the maintenance and operation over a lifespan. Does the minister agree?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:08:46 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the project budget is $56 billion to $60 billion. That is an estimate without taxes.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:08:53 p.m.
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Madam Chair, when does the government expect to sign a contract with Irving Shipbuilding to begin construction of the surface combatants?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:09:01 p.m.
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Madam Chair, that is still in the design phase.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:09:05 p.m.
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Madam Chair, when is the first ship expected to be delivered?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:09:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, we are working out the exact dates and details.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:09:14 p.m.
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Madam Chair, that is funny, because in a previous OGGO meeting, years ago, we were actually given a date, and now it is being decided. An Order Paper delivered by the government stated that the costs for the Coast Guard AOPS would be $750 million per ship. Irving Shipbuilding testified just last week it would be considerably less. Who is telling the truth?
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