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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Bryan May
  • May/30/22 8:07:19 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, affordable housing is at the top of many Canadians' minds, and we recognize this includes Canadian Armed Forces members. That is why we have committed to constructing more housing units for CAF members, and why there are services and benefits in place to assist personnel as they relocate. In order to meet increased operational requirements for military housing, the Department of National Defence is working with stakeholders to align resources and acquire additional housing. The CAF is continually looking at ways to improve compensation, benefits, policies, practices and services so that we are compassionate and responsive to the needs of our members and their families. People are at the core of our military. It is important that they have the support they need so that they can best defend Canadians at home and uphold peace around the globe. We are not only ensuring operational effectiveness this way, but we are also ensuring that CAF offers an appealing career path to help us retain the best and brightest personnel in service to Canada.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/30/22 8:08:25 p.m.
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Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), the motion to adjourn the House is now deemed to have been withdrawn. The House will now resolve itself into a committee of the whole to study all votes under the Department of Fisheries and Oceans in the main estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2023.
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/30/22 8:08:57 p.m.
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The House will now resolve itself into committee of the whole to study all votes under Department of Fisheries and Oceans in the main estimates for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2023. Today's debate is a general one on all votes under the Department of Fisheries and Oceans. The first round will begin with the official opposition, followed by the government, the Bloc Québécois and the New Democratic Party. After that, we will follow the usual proportional rotation. Each member will be allocated 15 minutes at a time, which may be used for both debate or for posing questions. Members wishing to use this time to make a speech have a maximum of 10 minutes, which leaves at least 5 minutes for questions to the minister. When a member is recognized, he or she should indicate to the Chair how the 15-minute period will be used, in other words, how much time will be spent on the speech and how much time will be used for questions and answers. Also, pursuant to order made earlier today, members who wish to share their time with another member shall indicate this to the Chair. The Chair will receive no quorum calls, dilatory motions or requests for unanimous consent. When the time is to be used for questions and comments, the minister's response should reflect approximately the time taken to pose the question, since this time will be counted in the time originally allotted to the member. Pursuant to order made Thursday, May 19, 2022, the time provided for the debate tonight may be extended beyond four hours as needed to include a minimum of 16 periods of 15 minutes each. I also wish to indicate that in committee of the whole comments should be addressed to the Chair. I ask for everyone's co-operation in upholding all established standards of decorum, parliamentary language and behaviour. We will now begin tonight's debate. The hon. member for South Shore—St. Margarets.
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Mr. Rick Perkins (South Shore—St. Margarets, CPC)
  • May/30/22 8:11:27 p.m.
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Madam Chair, who makes the final decisions at DFO?
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Hon. Joyce Murray (Minister of Fisheries, Oceans and the Canadian Coast Guard, Lib.)
  • May/30/22 8:11:40 p.m.
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I make the decisions.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:11:46 p.m.
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Madam Chair, in January, at the FFAW, you said that your goal was to leave as many fish in the ocean as possible, and—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/30/22 8:11:54 p.m.
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The hon. member has to address all questions to the Chair and not directly to the minister.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:11:59 p.m.
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Madam Chair, in January, the minister said at the FFAW that she would leave as many fish in the ocean as possible, that was her goal, and to grow as many plants as possible, and that fishermen could find another job. Could the minister please inform this House what job she was speaking of?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:12:18 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I think that is a complete misconstrual of what I said. What I have said is that my goal is grow the seafood and fish industry, and for that we need to have abundant stock.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:12:34 p.m.
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Madam Chair, DFO executive-level positions have increased 158%, rising from 65 to 173 during the time of this government. What could possibly justify that excessive growth?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:12:51 p.m.
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Madam Chair, this is a department that manages a great number and complexity of issues, as well as conflicts among different stakeholders, and I am very proud of the work that my officials and the leaders do in this department.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:13:08 p.m.
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Madam Chair, in 2019-20, the department met 56.3% of its goals and paid out $4.6 million in bonuses to its staff. That is 94.7% of the staff receiving a bonus for 56% performance. In 2020-21, the department met only 57% of its targets. Is that what this 158% growth of executives was done to manage?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:13:40 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I think the member is asking questions about previous years. I was appointed in 2021, and I have had excellent service from the leaders of the department.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:13:54 p.m.
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Madam Chair, in 2021 the achievement was 57% under this minister's leadership. Was that success?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:14:04 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I do find this line of questioning a bit rich, when the previous government cut the department's budget significantly.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:14:16 p.m.
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You are responsible for the department, not previous governments, minister—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/30/22 8:14:20 p.m.
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The hon. member has to address all questions and comments through the Chair.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:14:24 p.m.
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Madam Chair, under the current government, the science budget for the fisheries side of DFO, which is the side that deals with stock management, has declined by 3%, while the environmental ocean side has seen its science budget increase by 65% Is this why 80% of stocks in the critical zone do not have a recovery plan?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:14:45 p.m.
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Madam Chair, we are working on recovery plans for all stocks under the precautionary principle, and the department is committed to restoring the abundance, viability and diversity of stocks so that we can have a strong fish and seafood industry.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:15:05 p.m.
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Madam Chair, 80% without a plan is not a strong performance. Is the minister going to cut the southwest Nova Scotia herring quota by 63%?
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