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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:17:38 p.m.
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Madam Chair, it was the lobster fishery in southwest Nova Scotia. They were fishing out of season in the summer. Will that happen again this summer?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:17:48 p.m.
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Madam Chair, many of the indigenous people are doing FSC fisheries, which they are entitled to do. We do have enforcement personnel for—
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:17:59 p.m.
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Madam Chair, former DFO and CMP officers testified at the House of Commons fisheries committee that 90% of the FSC fishery in southwest Nova Scotia is an illegal commercial fishery. Why does the minister continue to allow that to happen?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:18:14 p.m.
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Madam Chair, no illegal fishing is acceptable, and we are working with the provinces and the RCMP to ensure that compliance enforcement is in place.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:18:27 p.m.
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Madam Chair, why did DFO instruct CMP officials during the lobster crisis, and the year after, to not go on the water and just observe if they were enforcing the law?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:18:39 p.m.
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Madam Chair, keeping the peace is also part of our responsibilities, so it is not in anyone's interest for there to be conflict.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:18:53 p.m.
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Madam Chair, CMP does not enforce the law under this minister. Bill C-68 in the last Parliament amended the Fisheries Act to say that all DFO agreements needed to be published in the Canada Gazette before they are signed. Is the minister aware of this?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:19:08 p.m.
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Madam Chair, could the member clarify what he is asking a question on?
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:19:16 p.m.
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Madam Chair, do I get more time, since she wants clarification?
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/30/22 8:19:33 p.m.
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No, it just keeps going.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:19:33 p.m.
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Madam Chair, Bill C-68, a bill passed in the last Parliament, requires the government to publish any agreement in the Canada Gazette before it is signed. Are you aware of that?
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/30/22 8:19:37 p.m.
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Are you aware of that?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:19:39 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I am.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:19:40 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the government has not published in the Canada Gazette the three rights and reconciliation agreements, either before or after they were signed. The government has had three years to do this. The government refuses to release these agreements. Why is this minister ignoring the Fisheries Act and breaking the law? What are you hiding?
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/30/22 8:19:57 p.m.
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Again, I want to remind the member to address all questions and comments to the Chair. He may try to not use the word “you”. The hon. minister.
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:20:08 p.m.
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Madam Chair, gazetting is not required for rights and reconciliation agreements.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:20:17 p.m.
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Madam Chair, there is no exception in the law in the section of the Fisheries Act. It does not say that indigenous agreements are not published; it says that all the agreements the government signs have to be published in the Canada Gazette. Why is the minister ignoring the law?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:20:33 p.m.
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Madam Chair, RRAs are not subject to that.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 8:20:38 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the minister needs to get new lawyers, I believe. The DFO human resources department has grown by 66% under this government, with 833 full-time equivalent employees alone. With not enough science on the fisheries side, why would DFO increase employees in the department by 66%?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 8:20:59 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I can say that we at DFO are very committed to equity and inclusion measures. We want to make sure that our workplace is safe for all of our employees and that it is inclusive, so that probably means more—
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