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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:39:45 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I appreciate the minister's gracious invitation. Does the minister know how much more productive Norway's oceans are than ours?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:39:59 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I do not know that there is a metric for ocean productivity. It is my job to have our oceans be as productive, diverse and healthy as possible.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:40:12 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, Norway's oceans are 7.5 times more productive than ours and it might have something to do with its much lower pinniped populations. Recently, the minister admitted seals eat fish. Does the minister know how much capelin that harp seals alone consume in Atlantic Canada each year?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:40:34 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I assume it is a lot.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:40:41 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, based on DFO estimates, the answer is four billion pounds per year. The fishing industry wants to know why time and money is be wasted on another seal study and a seal summit, instead of working to remove trade barriers with the EU and the U.S.
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:40:58 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, having brought together experts in the seal science task force report, we now have a report that allows us to consider eight different recommendations. We have already announced we are acting on two of them. I look forward to exploring it further.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:41:17 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, so we have cut all quotas of fish in Canada to very low levels and ended many fisheries. Pinniped populations are five to 15 times higher than historic levels. With the reduction of pinniped numbers, can fish stocks recover?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:41:34 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, stocks can recover if we are managing them carefully and with conservation in mind. At the same time, we will be exploring the intersection between seals and the fish that they eat.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:41:53 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, does the minister believe that 50% of salmon smolts entering the ocean from B.C. rivers are consumed by pinnipeds: yes or no?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:42:04 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, that is not a statistic that I have heard before, so I would believe it depending on the source of the statistic.
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Mr. Clifford Small
Mr. Chair, is the minister aware of Bill C-251 and has she familiarized herself with the contents?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
Mr. Chair, yes, I am familiar with Bill C-251.
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Mr. Clifford Small
Mr. Chair, will the minister support the conservation of fish stocks and vote for Bill C-251?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
Mr. Chair, Bill C-251 poses some challenges. It calls on actions that the government would have to take. It would cost $30 million—
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:42:54 p.m.
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That is all the time we have. We have a point of order from the hon. member for South Shore—St. Margarets.
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Mr. Rick Perkins
  • May/30/22 10:43:01 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I believe you are about a minute short because of the point of order that was going on with the member for Kingston and the Islands. I do not think it was included in that.
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:43:09 p.m.
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As far as I know, the timing stopped during that debate. We are just going back to look at it, and I can confirm that we had stopped for that, so it was not included in the time. Resuming debate, we have the hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons (Senate), Lib.)
  • May/30/22 10:43:25 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I hope that my Conservative colleagues from across the way will be okay with another non-coastal MP having an interest in fisheries and oceans. I hope it is not implied that Conservatives, particularly our coastal MPs, have a monopoly over this issue, but I certainly am looking forward to participating today. I would like to take this opportunity—
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:43:50 p.m.
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There is a point of order by the hon. member for Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies.
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Mr. Bob Zimmer
  • May/30/22 10:43:57 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I would ask the member to get to the relevance of whether he is from a coastal community or an inland community in his time tonight. I would ask him to clarify.
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