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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/31/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:05:15 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, yes I do.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:05:20 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, if so, is its compliance being monitored?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:05:24 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, yes it is.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:05:29 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, will the minister tell us how many cases are under review then of those that are in violation?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:05:39 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, we will get a number for the member.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:05:45 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, when will the minister share what information will be public? She says she will get that to me. When will she get that to me?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:05:59 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, I will consult with my officials and we will give the member a time when we can deliver it.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:06:07 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, does the minister intend to include owner-operators in the blue economy strategy?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:06:14 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, it will be a very comprehensive strategy and I would be very surprised if it were not included.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:06:23 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, that is not a commitment. I am hoping the minister can commit to that. In terms of reconciliation, how long does the department intend to exclusively continue using the fishery to satisfy treaty rights?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:06:37 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, I missed some of the words the member said.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:06:42 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, how long does the department intend to exclusively continue to use the fisheries to satisfy treaty rights? I have spoken to the minister repeatedly, asking her to ask the minister of CIRNAC to supply funds for reconciliation so that reconciliation does not fall on the backs of a small group of fishers and it is shared by all Canadians. Maybe she can speak to that. We have talked about it in relation to the west coast crab fishers. Maybe she can talk about whether she has had this conversation with the minister of CIRNAC.
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:07:13 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, we do get dollars for reconciliation. We have a large pot of money in these estimates that is for purchasing the boats, the gear and the licences for our “willing buyer, willing seller” policy.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:07:37 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, we have not seen the numbers in the budget dedicated and committed to that, but we are encouraged to hear that, especially when we are asking the minister to get to the table immediately with the crab fishers I mentioned. Does the department fully understand the social and economic considerations for all parties when access is being sought?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:07:58 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, that is our process, consulting with anyone affected so we can understand all of the perspectives when there is an allocation being done.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:08:16 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, does the department intend to continue to expropriate access to areas where there are no expressions of interest through “willing buyer, willing seller”?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:08:25 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, when there are court-ordered rulings providing access to a party that does not already have access, it can be a challenge to acquire it, and we—
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The Chair
  • May/31/22 12:08:40 a.m.
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The hon. member.
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Mr. Gord Johns
  • May/31/22 12:08:42 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, has the department worked with indigenous stakeholders to see if there are any other means by which to satisfy the right?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/31/22 12:08:51 a.m.
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Mr. Chair, “willing buyer, willing seller” is our approach and we do have funds to put that into effect.
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