44th Parl. 1st Sess.

June 2, 2022 10:00AM

Jun/2/22 3:16:34 p.m.
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All those opposed to the hon. member moving the motion will please say nay. The House has heard the terms of the motion. All those opposed to the motion will please say nay.

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Mr. Francesco Sorbara (Vaughan—Woodbridge, Lib.)

Jun/2/22 3:16:57 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I would like something to be clarified by the member from the Bloc Québécois on a question, during question period, with regards to organized crime. The Italian-Canadian community has been a pillar of Canada for over 100 years, and there are individuals, including myself, who would like those comments made by the hon. member to be clarified. If an apology has to be issued, I would wish the member to apologize to the Italian-Canadian community, with June being Italian Heritage Month and today being La Festa della Repubblica.

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The Speaker

Jun/2/22 3:17:33 p.m.
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Would the hon. member for Rivière-du-Nord like to respond to that allegation?

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Mr. Rhéal Fortin (Rivière-du-Nord, BQ)

Jun/2/22 3:17:42 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am sorry, but I did not understand what my colleague said. Why does he want me to apologize?

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The Speaker

Jun/2/22 3:17:53 p.m.
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Could the hon. member for Vaughan—Woodbridge repeat his question? Could the member be a little more concise and clarify please?

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Mr. Francesco Sorbara

Jun/2/22 3:18:00 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I understand from the hon. member's question that he seeks clarification. The hon. member mentioned the word “mafia” and the words “Italian prosecutor” in the same sentence, linking the two as the mafia being an Italian organization and organized crime as being only an Italian organization. Italians have suffered from this broad stereotyping for too many years, and I wish for an apology.

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Mr. Rhéal Fortin

Jun/2/22 3:18:30 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I fail to understand my colleague's objection. I was quoting Italian prosecutor Roberto Scarpinato. I cannot say that this is about a German prosecutor because he is Italian. There is nothing bad in that. This prosecutor fought the mafia his entire life, and that information can be found on Wikipedia. I do not understand what is so offensive about what I said. I simply reported the facts. My wife, who passed away not so long ago, was Italian. I have the utmost respect for the Italian community. I feel at home in Italy and I love the Italian people. I did not mean to insult them. However, I certainly cannot say that Mr. Scarpinato, the prosecutor, is of any nationality other than Italian.

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Ms. Elizabeth May

Jun/2/22 3:19:32 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, my point of order relates to Standing Order 16 and Standing Order 18, and we will, at some point today, be discussing them. However, it grieved me to see a whole class of kids, probably grades three and four, from Oakville, Ontario, be subjected to the violations of those standing orders in a very raucous, rude, I suppose we would have to say on all sides, heckling and yelling back and forth. I ask members to please, now that we are back in person in this place, consider the examples we set for school children who visit this place.

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The Speaker

Jun/2/22 3:20:12 p.m.
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I want to thank the hon. member for her intervention. However I will remind hon. members of three things. First, I received some concerns yesterday about something that was said, and sometimes it is not intentional, but members should try to think it through, even when heckling or shouting across. Even though we do not want members to heckle, members should try to think through how that will affect someone else's feelings. Second, heckling is something we want to keep to a minimum in the chamber. However, although it was a little raucous, it was not so much the heckling as members talking among themselves, which is nice, because they are talking, but if they are talking while somebody else is trying to ask or answer a question, it makes it difficult for everyone else. Third, please do not refer to anybody in the gallery. Members are not allowed to do that. It is not allowed in the Standing Orders.

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Hon. Jean-Yves Duclos

Jun/2/22 3:21:22 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, today I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the first report on COVID‑19 rapid test procurement and distribution.

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Mr. Damien Kurek

Jun/2/22 3:21:47 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. In light of your statement as you were referencing not referencing people in the gallery, I may have at that moment been waving to my six-year-old in the gallery, so I do apologize for waving to my son Matthew, who has joined us here today.

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The Speaker

Jun/2/22 3:22:05 p.m.
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I want to remind the hon. members that we cannot do indirectly what we cannot do directly. The hon. member for Saanich—Gulf Islands.

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Ms. Elizabeth May

Jun/2/22 3:22:15 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point order. On my point of order, I do seek clarification. As I understand the rules, it is completely forbidden for a member to say what only the Speaker has the right to say, such as “We recognize in the gallery so-and-so, the premier of such-and-such,” but I want clarification that when I reference the school group, I am not recognizing people in the gallery in any way that violates our rules, as I understand the rules. If I am incorrect, I would like to know.

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The Speaker

Jun/2/22 3:22:43 p.m.
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Once again, we are back to square one, talking about how members cannot do indirectly what they cannot directly, and referencing someone, as far as I can tell, is doing that. I do not want to start having an argument here, but I think we will go to the hon. member for Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, and then if there is still an argument afterward, we will come back.

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Mr. Dan Albas

Jun/2/22 3:23:05 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on the same point of order. I just wanted to stand up and say I respect you as the Chair and expect you to maintain the rules of this place and to make rulings when people are out of line.

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Ms. Elizabeth May (Saanich—Gulf Islands, GP)

Jun/2/22 3:23:21 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I merely want to understand the rules. I have read the rules, I know the rules and I am not challenging your ruling. I am asking for clarity. That is all.

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The Speaker

Jun/2/22 3:23:34 p.m.
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That is a fair question. I will go back, review them and make sure I come back with an answer for the hon. member.

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The Speaker

Jun/2/22 3:24:06 p.m.
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It being 3:25, pursuant to order made on Tuesday, May 31, the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion to concur in the fourth report of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security. Call in the members.

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