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House Hansard - 84

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 8, 2022 02:00PM
Context: House Hansard - 84 - Jun/8/22
Hon. Michael Chong
  • Jun/8/22 9:55:55 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I am not making a quorum call. I am just making the point that the Constitution Act, 1867, section 48, requires the presence of 20 members. I count the presence, including yourself, of 17 members. Surely, the government would want to ensure that if the process by which this bill were to be adopted in this House were ever to be challenged in court, it would be upheld. That is the simple point that I would like to make.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Jun/8/22 9:56:25 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, first and foremost, the member should probably recount the members who are actually in the House, and he will find that there is a quorum, even under the old rules. As you have pointed out, Madam Speaker, we are under Motion No. 11 rules, which received support from a majority of members of the House.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/8/22 9:56:47 p.m.
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To make it very clear again, before members go any further with this point of order, I would remind them that on May 2, the House duly adopted an order prescribing that the Chair shall not receive any quorum calls after 6:30 p.m. The Chair rendered a decision on the admissibility of the motion, including the section on quorum calls during extended sitting days in May and June. The ruling can be found in the Debates of May 2, 2022 at pages 4,577 and 4,578. I would invite the member to read the ruling of the Speaker to find that this matter has already been settled. Questions and comments, the hon. member for Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola.
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Mr. Dan Albas (Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, CPC)
  • Jun/8/22 9:57:34 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I know it is getting a little late, so I first want to thank the member for being here to participate. It sounded a bit like a canned speech, but I will leave that to the member to decide whether it was by his own hand or someone else's. I think it was around this time five years ago that the former minister of national defence tabled a new national defence policy. I have been listening to what this member wants for national security. I would simply ask him to speak with his caucus because, quite honestly, the government has been terrible on these large policy reviews in other areas of government. If we look at the mess that the current Minister of National Defence has inherited and how our Canadian Armed Forces is underprepared in so many different ways, it is woeful. It is shameful. The member may want to consider that, rather than proposing new policies, perhaps the government should actually start filling the gaps that exist right now.
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Mr. Chandra Arya
  • Jun/8/22 9:58:43 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, as I mentioned in my speech, in 2017 we had a policy document, but things have changed tremendously in the last five years. Misinformation and disinformation, while not a major factor five or six years back, have now become a major factor. We did not have the pandemic then, but now this pandemic has shown that a man-made virus could create havoc throughout the entire world. These are the reasons why the government has said, rightly so, that we are going to review the policy and update the existing policy document.
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Mr. Gabriel Ste-Marie (Joliette, BQ)
  • Jun/8/22 9:59:20 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I would like to thank my colleague for his speech, which did not have the slightest connection to Bill C-19. I know that when a point of order is raised to have the Chair ask members of the House to ensure their speeches are on topic, it is always interpreted very broadly. In this case, however, my colleague's speech had absolutely nothing to do with Bill C‑19. First the government introduces a special motion forcing us to sit until midnight every night, at its whim, under time allocation. The normal process of debate in the House is not being followed. Now the government is sending in Liberal members who, as interesting as their speeches are, are more or less filibustering on Bill C‑19. My question for him is—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/8/22 10:00:18 p.m.
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I am sorry, but I must leave time for a response. The hon. member for Nepean.
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Mr. Chandra Arya
  • Jun/8/22 10:00:23 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, if the hon. member had read the budget, he would know that there is an entire chapter on this. Not only has $8 billion been invested on the basis of the policy that was published in 2017, but I can go on to read what the government has announced in investments. The government has provided $875 million to address the cyber-threat landscape, based on Canada's first comprehensive cybersecurity strategy. On misinformation and disinformation, the government has provided $13.4 million for the G7 rapid response mechanism. The government has provided $10 million for the Privy Council Office to coordinate, develop, and implement government-wide measures designed to combat disinformation and protect our democracy. The government has also provided $385 million for IRCC and CSIS, plus the—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/8/22 10:01:19 p.m.
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We have to proceed with questions and comments. The hon. member for Calgary Forest Lawn.
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Mr. Jasraj Singh Hallan (Calgary Forest Lawn, CPC)
  • Jun/8/22 10:01:28 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, although I appreciate that the member gave a lot of anecdotes of what Canada should be doing and could be doing, I was wondering if the hon. member would commit to getting whichever ministry he thinks is responsible for that long speech to get to work on the work he just said Canada should be doing. If he is okay with that, can he please tell us which minister he will approach and when he thinks this will take place?
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Mr. Chandra Arya
  • Jun/8/22 10:02:00 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, in fact, that is the entire big mistake, what the member is doing. It is not the responsibility of one minister; it is a whole-of-government approach. If he had listened to what I was saying, he would know I said that we need a coordinated, comprehensive policy to tackle the new threats Canada is facing, which were not there five or 10 years back.
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Mr. Simon-Pierre Savard-Tremblay (Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, BQ)
  • Jun/8/22 10:02:26 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, to pick up on what my colleague from Joliette was saying, there was indeed not much of a connection between our colleague's statement and the subject at hand, which has me wondering if he is tacitly acknowledging that there is nothing in the budget.
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Mr. Chandra Arya
  • Jun/8/22 10:02:48 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, absolutely, if the member had taken some time to read the budget, there is a whole chapter on this. As I mentioned, there are many investments on many different levels that deal with the defence of our country and the security aspects of our country. Every single one of these things has been derived from the budget.
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Mrs. Sherry Romanado (Longueuil—Charles-LeMoyne, Lib.)
  • Jun/8/22 10:03:07 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I just want to respond to the previous comments that were made by my colleagues across the way. I take a lot of offence at the fact that they were stating there was nothing in the budget with respect to cybersecurity and nothing in the budget with respect to defence, which my colleague spent 20 minutes highlighting. I sat on the national defence committee during the first mandate, and I know full well exactly what the threats facing Canada are today. The fact is that we had to look at “Strong, Secure, Engaged” and shift and pivot, given the new realities. That is what the member just mentioned, and he spent 20 minutes highlighting the new realities here, so I find it quite offensive that people are accusing the member of not discussing what is actually in the budget, on page 136.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/8/22 10:04:02 p.m.
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The member for Joliette on a point of order.
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Mr. Gabriel Ste-Marie
  • Jun/8/22 10:04:09 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I would like to remind the House that we are talking about Bill C‑19, the budget implementation bill, not the budget itself. Not everything in that speech is in Bill C‑19. My colleague may take offence, but that speech had no connection to Bill C‑19.
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Mr. Chandra Arya
  • Jun/8/22 10:04:32 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I completely agree with my colleague, and everything I talked about is part of Bill C-19.
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Mr. Dan Albas (Central Okanagan—Similkameen—Nicola, CPC)
  • Jun/8/22 10:04:49 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, maybe the member could clarify and clear the air. Did he write that speech, or did he literally just take sections of chapter 5 out of the budget? I would just like to know.
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Mr. Chandra Arya
  • Jun/8/22 10:05:01 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I take offence at the remark asking whether I wrote the speech. In fact, I spent quite a number of hours today preparing for the speech and have read so many documents, including the recent document on national security that was published by the University of Ottawa and the major leading experts on security and defence of our country. I completely take offence at these comments.
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Mr. Sébastien Lemire (Abitibi—Témiscamingue, BQ)
  • Jun/8/22 10:05:38 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-19 
Madam Speaker, I listened to my colleague from Nepean's speech in hopes of finding some connection with Bill C‑19. Beyond that, I also picked up on some criticism, constructive criticism, about his government's proposals relating to things that had kind of been forgotten. That is why I want to ask him if he plans to support Bill C‑19.
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