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House Hansard - 86

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 10, 2022 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 86 - Jun/10/22
Mr. Michael Barrett
  • Jun/10/22 12:52:25 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
Mr. Speaker, the member opposite, the deputy government whip, just said that it is not the job of the House to tell committees what to do, so the question is this: Is she withdrawing Motion No. 11?
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Mike Morrice)
  • Jun/10/22 12:52:44 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
That is not a point of order; rather, we are getting into debate. We will return to questions and comments. The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby was in the middle of a question.
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Mr. Peter Julian
  • Jun/10/22 12:52:56 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
Mr. Speaker, that was not even remotely a point of order. The question I want to ask my hon. colleague is this. We had five weeks of hearings at the heritage committee. The Conservatives blocked any further witnesses. In fact, they blocked many of the witnesses as they were trying to appear. I will address that in my speech in a moment. All the other parties have already submitted amendments. We tried for a couple of weeks to get the Conservatives to do their work. They refused. Last Friday, all the other parties tabled their amendments. The Conservatives have refused even to have hearings into the serious allegations of sexual assault with respect to Hockey Canada. I moved a motion on—
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Mike Morrice)
  • Jun/10/22 12:53:44 p.m.
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The hon. member for Perth—Wellington is rising on another point of order.
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Mr. John Nater
  • Jun/10/22 12:53:49 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the NDP House leader knows full well that it was the Conservatives who originally moved the motion to hear from Hockey Canada. The record must reflect that.
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Mike Morrice)
  • Jun/10/22 12:53:58 p.m.
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We are seeing several points of order that are clearly matters of debate. I would encourage members to reserve points of order for true points of order. We will return to the member for New Westminster—Burnaby, who can please proceed to his question.
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Mr. Peter Julian
  • Jun/10/22 12:54:15 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
Mr. Speaker, I moved that on Monday and Wednesday we would have hearings with Hockey Canada. Conservatives refused to have the vote on that question, which would have allowed for the hearings on Hockey Canada. The facts are very clear. I wanted to ask my colleague what she thinks about this Conservative behaviour that we have seen over the last few weeks.
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Ms. Ruby Sahota
  • Jun/10/22 12:54:41 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the further insight I am getting into what has happened at committee. I know I have heard from some of my colleagues as to the delays that have occurred there, and I agree that the issue of Hockey Canada is important, but there is an order to be maintained in committees as well. The committee, from what I have been hearing and from what the member has just said, has wanted to look into the Hockey Canada issue, but because there has been consistent filibuster and avoidance not only of getting this bill through committee, but also of getting on to setting meetings and hearing from witnesses on Hockey Canada, that is the issue they have been having at committee.
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Ms. Elizabeth May (Saanich—Gulf Islands, GP)
  • Jun/10/22 12:55:30 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
Mr. Speaker, I will add my voice to those who are commending the admirable job you are doing in the chair. I thank you for what you are doing. My question is for the hon. deputy whip. We are seeing a lot of delays. I personally think there has been too much political interference in committees. I want to raise a different issue, but it relates to this question of how much committees are really governing their own destinies. As the member will know, I have objected for years to what has become the common practice of the Prime Minister's Office, dictating to every committee the terms of motions that must be passed at the beginning, after every election, requiring people in my position, as a member of a party that has fewer than 12 MPs, and other members' position, as at some points as many as 12 in the last Parliament were independent members, to provide amendments on legislation in committee that are deemed to have been moved. We are not allowed to vote on them; we are not allowed to participate in debate, yet the fiction on which these motions are justified is that the committee is the master of its own destiny, and it is just a coincidence that every single committee comes up with identically worded motions that are passed at the beginning of every session of Parliament following an election. I wonder if the member would reflect on whether, if we want to maintain the fiction, it is at all appropriate to have these multiple motions passed at every committee that significantly increase my personal workload, which the hon. member may know is already a fairly significant one.
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Ms. Ruby Sahota
  • Jun/10/22 12:57:21 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
Mr. Speaker, I would definitely agree and recognize that the member's workload is great, and that she probably carries a heavier burden than most members in this House. That is something I have definitely admired since my first day here. How she is able to keep track of what is happening in every committee and of every motion that is moved in the House is remarkable, and I appreciate her hard work. The motion that has been put forward today by the government is in order to make sure we can hear the amendments the opposition would like to propose when it comes to this piece of legislation. We do not want them not to amend the piece; we want them to be free to bring forth those constructive suggestions. The motion that has just been moved by the opposition would take the committee on travel and other things, when all along the Conservatives have been denying committees the ability to complete their work. These are committees that chose to do this themselves, not through the House, but through votes within their own committees. They wished to travel to study a certain issue, but the Conservatives have opposed that, so it is beyond me why this motion is being put forth now. All I can say is that I believe it is to delay.
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Mike Morrice)
  • Jun/10/22 12:58:46 p.m.
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There is a point of order from the member for Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes.
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Mr. Michael Barrett
  • Jun/10/22 12:58:51 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I do appreciate it, and thank you for knowing my riding. Having heard the government deputy whip's remarks with respect to this motion, I would seek the unanimous consent of the House to move to Orders of the Day.
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Mike Morrice)
  • Jun/10/22 12:59:15 p.m.
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All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay. Some hon. members: Nay. The Acting Speaker (Mr. Mike Morrice): Continuing with questions and comments, we will go to the hon. member for Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques.
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Mr. Maxime Blanchette-Joncas (Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, BQ)
  • Jun/10/22 12:59:42 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
Mr. Speaker, I listened carefully to the speech by my colleague from Brampton North. She made almost no reference to the motion we are currently debating, the request by the Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage to conduct consultations away from Parliament Hill. I am trying to understand my colleague's viewpoint. This Conservative Party motion does not really reflect what it wants for the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development. Why does the Conservative Party believe that the heritage committee can travel but the foreign affairs committee cannot?
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The Acting Speaker (Mr. Mike Morrice)
  • Jun/10/22 1:00:44 p.m.
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The hon. member for Brampton North has one minute to respond.
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Ms. Ruby Sahota
  • Jun/10/22 1:00:49 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
Mr. Speaker, that is a great question posed by the member opposite. Unfortunately, I do not think I am in a position best suited to answer it, as it is perplexing to me as well. It is perplexing because foreign affairs has to do with international relations with other countries. All members who are working in the House are vaccinated, and members would be willing to participate in this type of travel. It is beyond me why the Conservatives would oppose travel for one committee and then force a vote in the House on that very issue in another committee. It seems to me that this is just another tactic from their tool box, which they are trying to use to delay Bill C-11.
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Mr. Peter Julian (New Westminster—Burnaby, NDP)
  • Jun/10/22 1:01:44 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-11 
Mr. Speaker, I am almost without words to see what the Conservatives have done concerning Bill C-11. I am saddened by what we have seen. The deterioration and the disintegration of the Conservative Party over the last few months is something that I think has saddened all of us. I would remind members that, back in the month of December, and I will pay tribute to the former leader, the member for Durham, the Conservative caucus, led by moderates, was able to actually work with all parties. We had the—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/10/22 1:02:27 p.m.
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We have a point of order from the hon. member for Edmonton Manning.
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Mr. Ziad Aboultaif
  • Jun/10/22 1:02:31 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I do not think the speech the member is delivering is really relevant to the discussion of the day. I would like to a see real conversation happen rather than speaking about the former leader of the Conservative Party.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/10/22 1:02:46 p.m.
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I thank the member for the intervention, but there has been 40 seconds of the speech, so we will let the member get to his point. The member has 20 minutes to speak. The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.
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