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House Hansard - 109

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
October 6, 2022 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 109 - Oct/6/22
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Oct/6/22 4:10:32 p.m.
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The hon. member does know there is a lot of latitude in the way we get to the object of the debates, and I will let the member get there. The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Oct/6/22 4:10:43 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, in response to that, because we do have a tradition in Parliament, I would like the hon. member to clarify whether he thinks the member for Carleton was just trying to attract incels in general, or maybe even some on the back bench.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Oct/6/22 4:10:57 p.m.
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Can we wait until questions to ask questions of the hon. member making the speech? The hon. member has addressed the issue of the motion. He has started his speech on it and has spent most of the time so far on the issue of the motion. The hon. member for Prince Albert is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Randy Hoback
  • Oct/6/22 4:11:17 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member for Battlefords—Lloydminster was very clear that she would like to see the member stick to the topic at hand. Also, the fact is that our leader has been very clear on this issue. He condemns it and condemns all the—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Oct/6/22 4:11:29 p.m.
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That is debate. Let us allow the hon. member to finish his speech.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Oct/6/22 4:11:34 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member is trying to bring me back to relevance and immediately starts to argue the point with me. I would say to him, based on his last comment, that no, the Leader of the Opposition has not been clear. He can look at the tape from earlier today, at just after 10 o'clock when he made his speech. I asked him a question, point blank. In a very polite way, I said I would like to give him an opportunity to explain to Canadians what exactly he was doing with his YouTube channel and how he is actively working to prevent that now. I asked him to do that and he would not do it. I can see all the points of order, and I wonder why—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Oct/6/22 4:12:08 p.m.
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The hon. member for Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Michael Barrett
  • Oct/6/22 4:12:12 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, with respect to relevance, the member for Kingston and the Islands denied unanimous consent to condemn blackface. I am wondering if he would like to do that now.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Oct/6/22 4:12:23 p.m.
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Does the hon. member have unanimous consent?
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Oct/6/22 4:12:23 p.m.
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Is he asking for a unanimous consent motion or is he asking for me to say something?
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Oct/6/22 4:13:03 p.m.
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He is asking for unanimous consent to condemn blackface.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Oct/6/22 4:13:13 p.m.
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My apologies. As I have been advised, that enters into matters of debate, so I would encourage the hon. parliamentary secretary to conclude his remarks on the motion at hand so we can start questions.
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Mr. Michael Barrett
  • Oct/6/22 4:13:13 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am asking for that member to condemn it.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Oct/6/22 4:13:52 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I guess this is an issue the Conservatives do not want to talk about. I do not blame them. They are getting up time after time, interrupting me with points of order and trying to prevent me from continuing because they do not want to talk about this issue. We can see that. Some hon. members: Oh, oh! Mr. Mark Gerretsen: Madam Speaker, they are heckling me. They will not stop, and I realize that at the end of the day, the Leader of the Opposition will have to answer for it one way or another. I would encourage him to come forward to this House and explain to Canadians his position on using misogynistic and hurtful hashtags in order to generate views on YouTube.
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Mr. Gabriel Ste-Marie (Joliette, BQ)
  • Oct/6/22 4:14:01 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for his speech. With regard to possible collusion in the food distribution industry, we know that the industry is an oligopoly of five giants that control 90% of the market. These giants can easily agree amongst themselves to negotiate for low prices with agricultural producers or set high prices when selling to consumers. The motion alludes to this indirectly. I believe my favourite part of the motion is the one about asking the Competition Bureau to launch an investigation of the industry, of these giants, to check for collusion and excessive profits, a bit like what was done in England with the British Parliament. What does my colleague think of that?
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Oct/6/22 4:15:00 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, this is the third speech in a row that this has happened. Obviously the first opportunity to ask a question goes to the the Conservatives, but not one of them has stood up to ask me a question. I appreciate that. I understand if they are afraid to do that. I will answer the question from the member of the Bloc, and he makes a very good point. Not only can that monopoly develop through collaboration, but, looking at game theory, that collaboration can also happen through the practice of different companies making certain moves without actually having a verbal discussion about it. These are the things that we need to look into. This motion particularly calls on finding out if it is happening and, if so, how that increase has occurred, specifically as it relates to prices going up based on the monopoly.
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Ms. Bonita Zarrillo (Port Moody—Coquitlam, NDP)
  • Oct/6/22 4:16:01 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, a report came out at the beginning of the year saying that CEOs in Canada are now making 191 times more than their average worker. Nowhere is this more obvious than in the grocery industry. I would ask again what some of my colleagues have asked: Why would the Liberal government not close the loopholes to make those who are making the most money, the wealthiest of the wealthiest Canadians, pay their fair share?
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Oct/6/22 4:16:36 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member is absolutely correct. The spread between the haves and the have-nots has only gotten larger and larger. The reality of the situation is that not only is it not good that CEOs are being paid 191 times more because of the difference between those who are making incredible sums of money and those who are making very little bits of money, but it is also generally not good for our economy as a whole when we do not have a strong middle class. We need a strong middle class because they are the ones who actually drive the economy. The member's question was about why the government will not move forward on it. In this motion the NDP calls for that, and I just told her that I am going to support the motion. Therefore, I do support the call that is in the motion.
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Mr. Randy Hoback (Prince Albert, CPC)
  • Oct/6/22 4:17:31 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I want to thank the NDP for bringing this forward. I look forward to seeing the study. I hope they have not predetermined the outcome of the study and will actually let witnesses bring forward the truth. When it comes to the government, does it really understand what is going on in Canada? Does it actually comprehend the fact that people are hurting? As an example, I was talking to a taxi driver this morning. He basically works two jobs. He works at a bank and in a taxi, just so he will be able to get enough money scraped together to have a Thanksgiving dinner. Does the member understand there are single mothers actually watering down the milk they feed their kids so the kids are not going hungry? Does he not understand that there is hurt and need in this country? What is their proposal? They are going to give them $500 more. The Liberals need to do more. Does the member not understand that there is more that needs to be done? They are not presenting anything more.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Oct/6/22 4:18:19 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member says that we are not presenting anything more. Let us look at all the legislation we have brought forward to ease the financial pressures on those who actually need it the most. We can look at $10-a-day child care, the GST rebate and the countless number of initiatives out there that this federal government has brought forward. For this member to say it is just $500, where does that even come from? I realize that the member has not voted in favour of any of it. However, there is a real opportunity here. The Conservatives identified their error with the GST rebate bill, and they did vote in favour of it. Now they have another opportunity to recognize their error with respect to this motion and flip-flop on it as well. I hope they will come forward to vote with the NDP and, at least, me when we come to vote for—
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