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House Hansard - 133

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
November 23, 2022 02:00PM
Context: House Hansard - 133 - Nov/23/22
The Speaker
  • Nov/23/22 3:33:22 p.m.
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Pursuant to order made on Thursday, June 23, the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion at second reading stage of Bill C-249 under Private Members' Business.
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The Speaker
I declare the motion defeated. Is the hon. member for Kingston and the Islands standing on a point of order on technical reasons?
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Nov/23/22 3:46:22 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, it would be technical, because technically on the website it says that the Leader of the Opposition voted for this, but he—
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The Speaker
  • Nov/23/22 3:46:27 p.m.
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That is debate. We are going to drop that one right away. Order. I just want to remind the hon. members before proceeding that unless it is a technical issue, like the translation is not working or something that prevents members from voting, there are no points of order during the voting session.
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The Speaker
  • Nov/23/22 3:49:10 p.m.
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Pursuant to an order made on Thursday, June 23, the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion at third reading stage of Bill C-228 under Private Members' Business.
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The Speaker
I declare the motion carried.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/23/22 4:00:42 p.m.
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Would members wishing to have conversations please do so in the lobby? I wish to inform the House that, because of the deferred recorded divisions, Government Orders will be extended by 39 minutes. We have a point of order from the member for Kingston and the Islands.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Nov/23/22 4:01:11 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I want to start by apologizing. I was under the impression that it was okay to ask for a point of order between two votes. I will do that now, if that is okay. It is unclear to me and to those who were watching exactly what transpired during the vote we had. I am seeking clarification from the Speaker as to whether or not it is necessary for a member to stand to cast their vote. The Leader of the Opposition did not stand, and it is unclear how he voted.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/23/22 4:01:56 p.m.
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The House leader for the official opposition has a comment on this as well.
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Hon. Andrew Scheer
  • Nov/23/22 4:02:01 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, on this side of the House, we trust our excellent table officers. We have clerks at the table, vote-callers and the Speaker in the chair observing things. As much as the help from the hon. member for Kingston and the Islands may be appreciated by members on the other side of House, we do not believe that anybody at the table in the House of Commons needs help from him.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/23/22 4:02:18 p.m.
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What I will say is that the Table did acknowledge him and the vote was counted. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Nov/23/22 4:02:33 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I think the point of order is worthy enough to get clarification. We all know the process for voting virtually, but just for clarification, when we have a recorded vote on the floor of the House of Commons, the expectation is that a member must rise and acknowledge their name when it is stated. My understanding has always been that if that does not occur, the vote does not count. That is all I am asking about. I do not want you to reflect on past votes. I just want you to provide clarification for members going forward. They have to stand and acknowledge the Clerk, and if they do not do that, their vote does not count. That is my understanding.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/23/22 4:03:18 p.m.
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After further consultation with the Table, it is clear the member was indicating to vote in the positive for the bill. The Chair felt that he stood sufficiently for his vote to be recorded. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/23/22 4:07:18 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-27 
I thank the member for his intervention. The Chair will be coming back with a decision as soon as possible.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Nov/23/22 4:07:18 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-27 
Mr. Speaker, I am rising to respond to the point of order raised by the House leader of the NDP and the Conservative Party respecting the application of Standing Order 69.1 to Bill C-27, the digital charter implementation act, 2022. I submit that the protection of privacy rights is a unifying theme that links all parts of Bill C-27. This bill is a key pillar in the government's implementation of a digital charter. The three parts of the bill work together to provide a comprehensive framework to build Canadians' confidence in how their personal information is being used, including with regard to the unique risks posed by artificial intelligence systems, and they need to be considered together given their complementary relationship. Part 1 of the bill, the consumer privacy protection act, aims to modernize the privacy law that applies to commercial activities to assure Canadians that their personal information is being protected in the digital economy. Artificial intelligence represents one of the most significant sources of innovation and is a key emerging risk in the use of personal information. We heard, in consultations around the former privacy reform bill, that Canadians are concerned about the use of their personal information by artificial intelligence systems and the potential for bias or harm that may result from the irresponsible use of these systems. Part 1 of Bill C-27 addresses Canadians' rights regarding the use of their personal information in the automated decision system, but there are limits to how privacy law can address concerns about the use of AI systems. The government developed part 3 of the bill, the artificial intelligence and data act, to protect against the systemic impacts of artificial intelligence systems. It would regulate artificial intelligence systems that process personal information and other data about human activities to ensure that risks, such as bias based on race or gender, are addressed from the design stage all the way to deployment. If Parliament considers part 1 and part 2 of the bill without taking into account the full impacts of artificial intelligence systems on Canadians, it will have an incomplete picture of the use of personal information in the digital economy and the steps needed to build the trust of Canadians. This is the first time that the government is seeking to regulate artificial intelligence to govern the use of Canadians' personal information. I have no doubt that members will want to study this part of the bill in depth, and I welcome that. I wanted to give the House the government's perspective on why we think the three parts of the bill are interrelated to the protection of Canadians' personal information. I contend that all parts of the bill are interconnected and should be voted on as one item.
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Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)
  • Nov/23/22 4:07:48 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 107(3), I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the fourth report of the Liaison Committee, entitled “Committee Activities and Expenditures: April 1, 2022 - August 31, 2022”. This report highlights the work and accomplishments of each committee of the House, as well as detailing the budgets that fund the activities approved by committee members.
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Mr. Kody Blois (Kings—Hants, Lib.)
Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the sixth report of the Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food in relation to Bill C‑234, an act to amend the Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act. The committee has studied the bill and has decided to report the bill back to the House with amendments. I want to take this opportunity to thank the witnesses, those who were involved and, of course, our clerk and analysts for their wonderful work in sending this bill back to the House with amendments.
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Mr. John Brassard (Barrie—Innisfil, CPC)
  • Nov/23/22 4:09:13 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the seventh report of the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics, entitled “Device Investigative Tools Used By The Royal Canadian Mounted Police And Related Issues”. Pursuant to Standing Order 109, the committee requests that the government table a comprehensive response to this report. While I am standing, I would like to thank all the witnesses and committee members who participated, as well as the clerk and analysts. In particular, I want to thank the member for Calgary Rocky Ridge, who chaired the majority of this report.
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Hon. Bardish Chagger (Waterloo, Lib.)
  • Nov/23/22 4:10:00 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I have the honour to present, in both official languages, the 17th report of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs. The committee advises that pursuant to Standing Order 91.1(2), the Subcommittee on Private Members' Business met to consider the order for the second reading of private members' public bills originating in the Senate and recommended that the items listed herein, which it has determined should not be designated non-votable, be considered by the House.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/23/22 4:10:30 p.m.
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Pursuant to Standing Order 91.1(2), the report is deemed adopted.
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