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House Hansard - 183

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
April 24, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 183 - Apr/24/23
Mr. Brad Redekopp
  • Apr/24/23 6:09:49 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member and I have a good relationship at the immigration committee and I enjoy working with her. I agree with her, but the problem in what she is saying right now is that I do not believe it is possible. I do not believe it is possible to achieve what she is talking about. We do not have enough time to deal with this. What she is talking about is wishful thinking. I have wishes and hopes and dreams too. I wish Canadians could afford groceries and I wish we did not have a strike going on right now, but these are not the realities of our life today. We want to be the most pragmatic we can be. We have the opportunity to at least solve this problem for a group, for a subset of these lost Canadians, so we see the opportunity to push it forward and solve that part of the problem. I would also like to mention that the government and this member have had many opportunities to present legislation on this subject before, so there is no reason we could not see other legislation on this. There is no reason the government could not put forward legislation to plug the rest of the holes that are here.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Apr/24/23 6:10:56 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I want to bring it back to the simplicity of what we are talking about by using an example. Imagine that a couple living in Canada is requested by their company to go live in, let us say, France. They are in France and they have a child, and that is not a problem. They come back a couple of years later and the child grows up. At 19, the child joins the military, goes abroad and marries someone. The child of that individual would not be classified as a citizen, as a direct result. Would the member or the Conservative Party support the principle of allowing that child to be a Canadian citizen?
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Mr. Brad Redekopp
  • Apr/24/23 6:11:45 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, as I said before, Conservatives are committed to solving this problem and fixing these gaps. This was actually a very good explanation, and I appreciate it. The member was giving one example, so let us just assume that this is the one we are trying to fix with this legislation. We want to get it through and pass it, and then that person would be a Canadian and the problem would be solved. Imagine that example, and now add family number two, with a slightly different situation, then family number three with a slightly different situation, family number four, etc. It complicates everything and all of a sudden this simplistic solution becomes a very complex solution. We are trying exactly that, which is to solve this problem for a group of lost Canadians. We are fully willing to work with the government, the NDP or whoever else wants to put forward legislation to try to fix the rest of them.
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Hon. Karina Gould (Minister of Families, Children and Social Development, Lib.)
  • Apr/24/23 6:12:39 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I request that the ordinary hour of daily adjournment of the April 25 and April 27 sittings be 12 o'clock midnight, pursuant to the order made Tuesday, November 15, 2022.
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Ms. Sylvie Bérubé (Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou, BQ)
  • Apr/24/23 6:13:05 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-47 
Madam Speaker, despite the size and intent of Bill C‑47, there is nothing in it for seniors or housing. There is no long-term solution to fix the underfunding of health care and no sign of EI reform. I would like to hear my colleague's thoughts on that.
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Mr. Brad Redekopp
  • Apr/24/23 6:13:33 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I believe that question is better suited for the next debate. Let me take this moment to reiterate one more thing. The government has had many opportunities to solve the problem of lost Canadians. The government has been here eight years. Canadians are tired, in fact, of the government. It has had many opportunities. It has heard of this many times. It has heard lots of speeches and heard about lots of situations and examples. It has had ample opportunity to solve this problem, yet it has not. Now the government wants to take over a private member's bill, hijack it and put its legislation into that member's private bill. That is simply not right.
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Hon. Mike Lake (Edmonton—Wetaskiwin, CPC)
  • Apr/24/23 6:14:26 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, like many colleagues here, I am on House duty today. I showed up here expecting that we would be having a debate about the budget. Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:14:34 p.m.
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Order. I just want to remind members that they are not to ask questions when it is not question and comment time. I know the hon. parliamentary secretaries know the rules of the House, so I will ask them to hold off. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:14:51 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it is a regular occurrence for me when I am speaking to have the two members across the way, who remind me of the old guys from The Muppets, chirping from the gallery as I am—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:15:08 p.m.
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I just want to remind members not to use those types of descriptions when referring to members in the House. It does not add to the conversation at all. I would ask the hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin to have a bit of respect for his colleagues in the House.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:15:24 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am not sure whether the offensive reference was “old” or “Muppets”. Usually they get their back up when I start talking about the Trudeau legacy. We have had this happen on multiple occasions as we talk about budgets and disastrous Liberal economic policy. We get talking about the Trudeau legacy. Of course, I am talking about the Pierre Trudeau legacy.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:15:56 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary on a point of order.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Apr/24/23 6:16:00 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think Kermit was thinking in regard to—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:16:08 p.m.
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I want to remind members that it is not proper to refer to other members by such names. I think the hon. member actually answered the question the hon. parliamentary secretary was going to ask about. I would ask members to please be respectful in the House and be mindful as to the references being made. The hon. member for Shefford on a point of order.
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Ms. Andréanne Larouche
  • Apr/24/23 6:16:37 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, if I understand correctly, the issue is extending sittings until midnight. Indeed, that is the question. Were the leaders actually consulted? We wonder who was consulted during that consultation, because the leaders should be consulted on such a motion. I want to know who.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:17:00 p.m.
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Okay. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:17:28 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, since we are having this conversation, I have a couple of points on this. It is interesting that we are supposed to be talking about the budget today. The NDP and Liberal members have agreed to have this debate here in this House because they do not want to talk about the budget, including all the challenges with the budget and the economic disaster that reflects the previous approach taken by a different Prime Minister Trudeau back in the seventies and eighties. It is also interesting that the debate we are talking about today is something that the coalition could decide to have any day, if they wanted to. Any day, NDP and Liberal members could decide to move legislation to accomplish exactly what we are talking about today. Instead, they have chosen to do this in a different way, using up valuable House time when we could be talking about the budget. If it was something that was important to them, they could do it on their own through their coalition. I am not on the immigration committee, but my understanding is that parties have worked collaboratively on that committee. I understand that the senator who moved this Senate public bill did not want to move beyond the scope to the degree that we are talking about right now. This goes way beyond the scope of the bill. It is very unusual to see this approach. It is sad. First of all, it is an important issue that deserves to be discussed seriously. The bill itself is a bill that members from all parties of the House should be able to support. Instead, we have this political gamesmanship of sorts today. It seems that this is all because the NDP and Liberal members do not want to talk about a disastrous budget. What we are not talking about today, because we are talking about this, is an approach with the budget that projects endless deficits into the future. If we look at the impact of this budgeting approach, again, we only need to look back to the Trudeau government of the seventies and eighties to see what that disastrous approach would look like. In those years, there was a deficit in 14 out of 15 years. The then Trudeau government came into power with almost no debt in Canada and left with a generational debt. It was a debt that, a generation later, required another Liberal government in the late nineties, the Chrétien-Martin Liberal government—
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Apr/24/23 6:20:33 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I have a point of order. This is a concurrence debate on a motion from the Standing Committee on Immigration. The member has been talking about the budget since he began speaking. Perhaps he could bring it back to the subject matter.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:20:43 p.m.
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There is some latitude, but I do want to remind the member that it is about the report before the House. I would ask the member to speak to the issue at hand. I am sure the hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin will bring it back.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:21:00 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, of course, but I will point out that the hon. member who just rose on this point of order speaks more and uses more words in the House than almost any other member of Parliament. He has the opportunity to stand any time he wants. He is getting applause. I cannot say how many members he was getting applause from, but it was very quiet. I will point that out—
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