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House Hansard - 183

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
April 24, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 183 - Apr/24/23
Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Apr/24/23 6:20:33 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I have a point of order. This is a concurrence debate on a motion from the Standing Committee on Immigration. The member has been talking about the budget since he began speaking. Perhaps he could bring it back to the subject matter.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:20:43 p.m.
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There is some latitude, but I do want to remind the member that it is about the report before the House. I would ask the member to speak to the issue at hand. I am sure the hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin will bring it back.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:21:00 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, of course, but I will point out that the hon. member who just rose on this point of order speaks more and uses more words in the House than almost any other member of Parliament. He has the opportunity to stand any time he wants. He is getting applause. I cannot say how many members he was getting applause from, but it was very quiet. I will point that out—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:21:31 p.m.
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There is no cross-debate. I want to remind the member that he is to speak about the issue that is before the House at this moment.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Apr/24/23 6:21:31 p.m.
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Not as a percentage of the total number—
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:21:35 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, again, the issue today is that there is a Senate public bill, moved by a senator. The issue is very serious for her. She has asked specifically, in testifying before committee, not to go way beyond the scope of the bill. We all have those opportunities where we get a chance to move things that are very important to us. I have had the opportunity to do it myself. In fact, we just had much co-operation in the House around a Senate public bill on autism. After taking the time to do the research and put together a private member's bill, working with stakeholders and fine-tuning it to be something, I cannot imagine moving it and then having members from other parties trying to turn it into a completely different bill than the one I was moving. I think any member of the House of Commons could understand this. Any member of Parliament who has taken the time to move a private member's bill and do all that work to prepare it could understand—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:22:56 p.m.
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On another point of order, the hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Apr/24/23 6:22:59 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I do not believe anyone has told the member about the concurrence motion. It is about citizenship, and the member has not made one reference at all in regards to citizenship—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:23:13 p.m.
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Again, there is a little bit of latitude. The hon. member has referenced the bill, but I would ask him to ensure that he speaks to the issue of the report itself, which is the 15th report for concurrence. I would remind the member to focus his speech there. The member only has four minutes and 18 seconds left to get to that. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin, and I would ask members to remember that there is some latitude here.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:23:47 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, there is latitude. I am talking about process, which is really important here. The two members that keep rising on points of order have the highest word counts in the House of Commons. I have listened to many speeches where they have not even been in the same area code as the subject being discussed. I am actually talking about a process that is important here. I am talking about something that is critical. The senator who moved this bill said that she does not want to see the bill go in the direction that opposition members from the Liberals and NDP are taking it. It is very clear. I think they are over there strategizing what other point of order they can raise so that we can avoid moving on that talk about— An hon. member: Oh, oh!
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:24:37 p.m.
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I want to remind members that if they want to have conversations to take them outside and not have questions and comments for the hon. member while he is speaking. It is very disrespectful. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin has three and a half minutes left.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:24:53 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it is kind of funny to see these two members. I will not make any Muppet references here, but to hear them chirping from the gallery, and here we go again—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:25:09 p.m.
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On a point of order, the hon. parliamentary secretary to the Government House leader.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Apr/24/23 6:25:13 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member cannot do indirectly what he cannot do directly. Whether it was intended to be complimentary or not, he is still making those references that you have already asked him not to make.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Apr/24/23 6:25:21 p.m.
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It appears to me that there is some intent to try to prolong the proceedings here to a certain degree on both sides. I just want to remind the hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin that the hon. parliamentary secretary is correct in that he should not do indirectly what he cannot do directly. I have already asked members on both sides to not use those references. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin has three minutes left.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:25:51 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, this is the first time I have ever spoken where I have had members stand up three times and raise of points of order to try and delay the speech that I am making. I will sit down after making this final point, which is, again, the same point that I have been making. This is a Senate public bill that is very important to the senator who is moving it. The Liberals and the NDP have very clearly tried to change it into something completely different than what it is. That is not acceptable, and I would encourage the Liberals and NDP that, if they feel very strongly about the things that they are bringing up and the ways that they want to change the bill, they move forward with government legislation as quickly as they can. We can have this conversation tomorrow if they choose to.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons (Senate), Lib.)
  • Apr/24/23 6:26:49 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member mentioned on a number of occasions that apparently the NDP and the Liberals are trying delay discussing the budget and that is why we are involved in this tactic right now on this motion. However, is he aware that the only speakers who are getting up right now are Conservatives? As a matter of fact, if no Conservatives rose right now and just stayed seated, we would be beyond this concurrence motion and we would be talking about the budget. The member accused myself and the member for Winnipeg North of sometimes not being in the same area code of what we are debating. Is he even aware of what is going on in this House right now?
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:27:36 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we had a vote half an hour ago to move on, and the Liberals voted against it.
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Ms. Nathalie Sinclair-Desgagné (Terrebonne, BQ)
  • Apr/24/23 6:27:54 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, Bill C-37 was passed unanimously. Can we know why this bill, which has exactly the same objective, is being debated again in the House of Commons?
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • Apr/24/23 6:28:09 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, again, we are talking about a Senate public bill that could be supported by all parties and we are having a conversation about some parties in the House taking the bill in a completely different direction than the senator originally intended. Not one member in this House would accept that if it was their own private member's bill, but they are expecting us to move on with it today. The government could do this if it wanted to tomorrow.
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