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House Hansard - 191

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 4, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 191 - May/4/23
The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 12:27:34 p.m.
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The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • May/4/23 12:27:39 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, on this point of order, I have since apologized for that and asked that it be removed from the record at that member's request.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 12:27:47 p.m.
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That is not a point of order, but a good clarification. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • May/4/23 12:27:54 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, continuing my comments, if we actually listen to what the member for Kingston and the Islands said, he said, “if Conservatives were bothered by it”. That was the caveat he added when he mentioned that just a few minutes ago— Mr. Mark Gerretsen: That's not what I said. That's not what I said. Hon. Mike Lake: That is what you said. I am not going to get into a heckling match, because that is how we got into this challenge in the first place. There were about four members at the time, including those two members, who were laughing as the conversation was happening specifically related to the member for Wellington—Halton Hills and the—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 12:28:28 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • May/4/23 12:28:34 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I walked into this chamber 15 seconds before the member for St. Albert—Edmonton finished his speech. I was not here. The member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin was saying I was laughing and heckling. It is simply not the case.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • May/4/23 12:28:49 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on the same point of order. I was listening very attentively, and I was not laughing either.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 12:28:59 p.m.
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Those are not points of order either, but clarifications. The member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Jeremy Patzer
  • May/4/23 12:29:12 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, those two members opposite have had the exact same talking points. They have been gaslighting and victim-blaming the member for Wellington—Halton Hills, which is pathetic. By doing that, they are also undermining the member for Vancouver East, who gave a great speech about her personal situation and what is happening. Between the member for Wellington—Halton Hills and the member for Vancouver East, they speak very clearly on behalf of all the members of the Chinese diaspora who are experiencing the intimidation tactics by the People's Republic of China. It is embarrassing, to this country, what those two members opposite are doing.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 12:29:44 p.m.
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Again, we are descending back into debate, and I really do not want to have to descend into debate again. We do have a member who does have time and is on the schedule. The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • May/4/23 12:29:56 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I was simply replying to the inaccuracies that the member is stating.
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Hon. Andrew Scheer
  • May/4/23 12:30:06 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, first of all, I note that the member may seek the floor, when it is his turn. We want to hear from our colleague from Alberta here who has the floor now, reading his speech. However, we all know what he said. We all know that both the member for Kingston and the Islands and the deputy House leader for the government were sent in here this morning to try to turn the victim into the villain; to try to somehow say that it was the member for Wellington—Halton Hills' fault that the Liberals sat on a report for two years, knowingly giving permission to a foreign diplomat and operative from the People's Republic of the regime in Beijing. I would like to know if I could table the blues. This is what the member for Kingston and the Islands actually said, quote: “The member for Wellington—Halton Hills had a defensive briefing on this two years ago, so he knew about this when it actually happened.” This is shameful. I call on the member right now to stand up and unequivocally apologize for that disgusting comment.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • May/4/23 12:31:16 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, it is true that I said that the member for Wellington—Halton Hills received multiple defensive briefings, actually. An hon. member: Oh, oh! Mr. Mark Gerretsen: He did. He received multiple defensive briefings and it is absolutely true that I have absolutely no idea what he was told. Some hon. members: Oh, oh! Mr. Mark Gerretsen: I am trying to address the point. Mr. Speaker, I—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 12:31:39 p.m.
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Order. Order. I am just going to sit down. The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • May/4/23 12:31:59 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I do not know what the briefing was about.
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Hon. Andrew Scheer
  • May/4/23 12:32:12 p.m.
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Apologize, you joke.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • May/4/23 12:32:12 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I do apologize for saying that he—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • May/4/23 12:32:17 p.m.
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We are done. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin has the floor.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • May/4/23 12:32:26 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I will point out that the hon. member, in his defence, mentioned coming in 15 seconds before the member for St. Albert—Edmonton stopped speaking. I will point out that it was the precise moment that chaos descended on this conversation. It was his question for the hon. member for St. Albert—Edmonton that triggered the condescension and mockery among his colleagues over here. It was his question where he talked about the member's being "supposedly affected“, which he apologized for unreservedly but reservedly a few minutes ago, and that was what triggered the other parliamentary secretary to the House leader, though it is hard to keep track of the parliamentary secretaries to the House leader over there, the member for Winnipeg North, who then said to his laughing colleagues that the member is not credible, talking about the member for Wellington—Halton Hills.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • May/4/23 12:33:29 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, it is highly irregular for a member to be able to stand up and then, an hour or two hours later, try to reflect what I might have said from my seat. I would suggest that the member needs to look at what the leader of the Conservative Party was heckling at the Speaker yesterday or at the Prime Minister the day before. If they want to talk about behaviour and inappropriate language in Parliament, they can look at what the leader of the Conservative Party does on an ongoing basis. That is what one should be ashamed of. If anyone owes an apology, it is the leader of the Conservative Party who owes an apology to the Prime Minister of Canada.
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