44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 17, 2023 02:00PM
- May/17/23 2:43:37 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am glad the minister did not tell Jeff that the solution was to cancel Disney+. Because of her high-tax-and-spend government, Canadians like Jeff cannot even afford Disney+, and are skipping meals. She is going to give Canadians like Jeff higher gas, grocery and home heating bills with her second carbon tax.
Can she tell Jeff how much more it is going to cost him to heat his home and fill his tank?
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- May/17/23 2:44:01 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I would like to remind our hon. colleagues on the other side of the room that in their platform in 2021, the Conservative Party of Canada campaigned to put in place carbon pricing that would go up to $170 a tonne. That is exactly what our government is doing while investing in Canadians and building the economy of the future.
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- May/17/23 2:44:29 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, before tabling the budget, the finance minister said that “by exercising fiscal restraint” and by not pouring fuel on the inflationary fire, the Liberals would ensure they could responsibly invest in Canadians. However, we need to pay attention to what the government does and not what it says, and what the government did was increase spending by $60 billion, or $4,300 for every family in Canada.
When will the government take its own advice and realize its spending is making life more unaffordable for Canadians?
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- May/17/23 2:44:59 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, instead of believing partisan hacks reading their talking points, I think Canadians should listen to the Parliamentary Budget Officer.
When the—
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- May/17/23 2:45:11 p.m.
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I am going to interrupt the hon. Deputy Prime Minister. I am tired of getting too much noise from this side, so I am going to ask her to start from the top. I will also ask for the heckling to not happen.
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- May/17/23 2:45:25 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, instead of listening to partisan hacks reciting their canned talking points, I think Canadians tend to trust the Parliamentary Budget Officer.
In testimony before the finance committee, the Parliamentary Budget Officer said, “When looking at G7 countries, Canada compares very favourably on net debt-to-GDP.” He also said that, having spoken—
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- May/17/23 2:45:57 p.m.
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The noise is starting to rise again. I do not want the hon. member for Simcoe North to end up at the end of the list, so I am going to ask everyone to stop. Members know that the process is to take whatever side is causing the problem, and we switch those members with the ones at the end. Then hopefully—
An hon. member: Mr. Speaker—
The Speaker: I am talking.
An hon. member: Oh, oh!
The Speaker: Does the hon. member for Banff—Airdrie want to say something to me? No? Now keep it quiet or else you will suffer the consequences.
I will ask the hon. Deputy Prime Minister to please continue.
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- May/17/23 2:46:33 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am glad to share with the House that, further on in his testimony before the finance committee, the Parliamentary Budget Officer described a conversation he had had with an individual from the credit rating agency Moody's, who had said that Canada's deficit should make us “quite happy because by European standards that's very low.”
Canada's economy is strong, and our fiscal position is strong. No one should believe the Conservatives when they say otherwise.
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- May/17/23 2:47:05 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, it takes a hack to know a hack.
Last fall, the finance minister said that new spending needed to be matched with government savings. She said that the government needed to exercise restraint to not pour fuel on the fire. She also said that the debt-to-GDP ratio was the red line. That seems all pretty clear to me, except the government did not take the finance minister's advice.
Only one thing can be true. Either the finance minister is being overruled by the Prime Minister or another leadership contestant, or Canadians cannot take the promises she makes seriously. Which one is it?
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- May/17/23 2:47:42 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I wanted to rise because I think it is important to add some context here.
We know the party opposite was in power for 10 years, and during that period of time, it was the worst growth record we had seen since R.B. Bennett. Do members know what is different—
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- May/17/23 2:47:57 p.m.
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I am sorry, I am having a hard time hearing the answer because of the shouting. I am going to ask everyone, including the opposition leader, to keep it down. Maybe to lead by example would be a very good thing.
I will ask the hon. government House leader to please proceed, but not from the top.
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- May/17/23 2:48:17 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I will tell members what is different: 2.7 million people who were in poverty when the Conservatives were in power are not in poverty today. There are two million more jobs since that party was in power.
Yes, these times are difficult across the world right now, but we are leading, and we will continue to do so.
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- May/17/23 2:48:41 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I think it is a real shame that the government House leader will not let the Minister of Finance answer a very simple question. My colleague from Simcoe North asked a very simple question yesterday. It is very simple. Anyone who is carrying debt knows what the interest on that debt is, and how much it is costing them. Unfortunately, the Minister of Finance, the Deputy Prime Minister, did not have the answer.
I am offering the Deputy Prime Minister a chance to redeem herself. How much interest on the debt will Canadians have to pay every year?
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- May/17/23 2:49:16 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, once again, the Conservatives seem to believe that Canadians are devoid of intelligence. Canadians know that we have a strong economy.
I would like to quote another expert, the former parliamentary budget officer, Kevin Page. He said that the 2023 budget has a credible fiscal strategy and that the government's fiscal anchor, the declining ratio, will be maintained.
We are not the ones saying—
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- May/17/23 2:49:58 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, once again, the Deputy Prime Minister refuses to answer a very simple question. Every Canadian with a mortgage has to know how much interest they are paying on their debt.
Let us now consider how realistic her budget is, because it included $60 billion in new spending. That is a recipe for creating and fuelling inflation. However, just a few months ago, she said that we must not pour fuel on the fire of inflation.
Does the Deputy Prime Minister agree with what she said last November, or, once again, does she not know the answer?
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- May/17/23 2:50:36 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am obviously interested in my colleagues' financial arguments.
I find it astounding that they are blaming inflation on Canada's low- and middle-income taxpayers. The Canadian government is helping them, but blaming them for today's inflation is rather cruel.
I would ask my colleague to tell us what he would say to the 400 children in his riding who received the dental benefit in recent months. Does he believe we should take it away from them?
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- May/17/23 2:51:11 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Public Safety has issued a new directive to the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, or CSIS, a directive that was so important that it had to be made public. It says, and I quote: “CSIS will seek, wherever possible...to ensure that parliamentarians are informed of threats...directed at them”.
What does that mean? Should the directive not be telling CSIS that it always has to inform parliamentarians of any threat?
What does “wherever possible” mean? Whose discretion is it up to? Are we talking about CSIS, the minister, or maybe my brother-in-law Luc? Who?
Quite frankly, this directive is causing more confusion and concern than it is providing reassurance. Will the minister explain it clearly?
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- May/17/23 2:51:52 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the hon. member's question because it is important that all MPs are aware of any threats that are made against any of us because a threat against one is a threat against us all.
We know that the hon. member for Wellington—Halton Hills was subjected to threats, and he was not aware of them. That is why the minister did give a directive to CSIS to ensure that all parliamentarians of the House are informed of any threats whatsoever.
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- May/17/23 2:52:26 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we have been calling for an independent commission of public inquiry for months. From threats against MPs to funding for the Trudeau Foundation, everything we are hearing justifies a serious inquiry. The government is telling us that it is taking action. How?
With these new directives, CSIS will seek, whenever possible, to ensure, in a timely manner, that parliamentarians are perhaps informed of any threats, if necessary. Wow. I feel so reassured.
Does the minister honestly believe that these directives are going to solve the problem of foreign interference?
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- May/17/23 2:53:05 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, my colleague knows full well that these directives are part of our government's ongoing efforts to counter foreign interference. We have said so publicly. The Prime Minister said so last week, and the Minister of Public Safety said it again this week. Threats or interference involving members or parliamentarians are completely unacceptable.
We have taken the necessary measures to ensure that the professional intelligence agencies take the matter in hand, work with members and resolve the situation appropriately.
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