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House Hansard - 235

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
October 19, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 235 - Oct/19/23
Mr. Chris Bittle (Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Housing, Infrastructure and Communities, Lib.)
  • Oct/19/23 4:24:13 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, in the hon. member's speech, he talked about pragmatic solutions. Maybe there was a loss in translation with the word “pragmatic”. “Pragmatic” means dealing with something realistically. All that he is promising is that they will develop things in the future. They do not have anything right now. They will renounce the things that work, renounce the things that are accepted by the global community as working, that make us a leader on this file. What he is offering is magic beans, that, maybe, in the future, someday, we will have something, maybe, possibly, maybe. That is not pragmatic by any definition. I was wondering if the hon. member could get up and just recognize that they do not have anything at all to offer except denial of climate change.
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Mr. Gérard Deltell
  • Oct/19/23 4:25:06 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, hopefully, in the 30s, when Canadians created penicillin, this member was not there to say that it is does not exist and that it will never exist. I believe in Canadian knowledge. I believe in Canadian research. I believe in Canadian scientific people. He talked about the global observation. May I remind him that the global observation from the United Nations concluded that after eight years of this government, Canada is number 58 out of 63. Shame on them.
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Ms. Monique Pauzé (Repentigny, BQ)
  • Oct/19/23 4:25:41 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, I am starting to wonder if I am in the right debate. I thought we were supposed to be talking about Bill C‑50. I will bring my colleague back to Bill C‑50. Since he is a member from Quebec, he knows full well that there exists in that province the Commission des partenaires du marché du travail, which is a Quebec-Ottawa agreement on skills training. There is no mention of it in Bill C‑50. No one even thought of the fact that this agreement exists. I also want to come back to the Conservatives under Harper. In 2013, the federal budget introduced the Canada job grant. It was the centrepiece of the budget. Quebec was against it. At the time, Ms. Maltais called the Conservatives to make them understand that Quebec already had something like that. I would like my colleague from Louis‑Saint‑Laurent to tell me how the two major parties in this country do not even know what is happening in Quebec.
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Mr. Gérard Deltell
  • Oct/19/23 4:26:36 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, I would like to commend my colleague who is celebrating her eight anniversary as a member of Parliament here in the House of Commons today. I wish her a happy anniversary and to the rest of us too. In answer to the specific question that my colleague asked, I would answer that I only spoke about the environment and that I am very proud of that. I am a bit surprised to hear my colleague from Repentigny say that I did not speak about Bill C‑50, when, on the contrary, I made the focus of my speech the environment, a subject that is very dear to her heart. What the Conservatives want is to help Quebec in its development. We understand Quebec, and that is why we are strongly opposed to the law stemming from Bill C‑69, which gives the federal government veto power over hydroelectric projects. I will not hide the fact that we are in favour of these developments and that we want them to move forward as quickly as possible. We need to regain the momentum that we had in the 1950s when we tripled the infrastructure at the Beauharnois power plant, built the Bersimis-1 and Bersimis-2 power stations and gave the green light to the fantastic Manicouagan-Outardes hydroelectric project and the Carillon generating station. In the 1950s, Quebec was really big on creating hydroelectric dams. Let us hope that we can see that again one day in Quebec.
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Ms. Lisa Marie Barron (Nanaimo—Ladysmith, NDP)
  • Oct/19/23 4:28:06 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, the member spoke about job creators. I am wondering what his thoughts are on Alberta's premier's decision to impose a moratorium on investment in renewable energy projects that would have created 22,000 jobs. At a time when we need real, timely solutions, as he spoke about, around the climate crisis for today and for future generations, why are the Conservatives so quick to protect big oil companies at the expense of workers and the future of our planet?
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Mr. Gérard Deltell
  • Oct/19/23 4:28:36 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to recall for everybody in the House that the first province to have a department of environmental affairs was Alberta. The first province to have a review process for big projects based on the environmental scoop was Alberta. Where is the province where we find the biggest plant for solar energy? Alberta. In which province do we find the greatest wind farm project? Alberta. Let me remind us that since 1947, on February 13, we had the Leduc No. 1 treasure, which blew up and gave the big boom in Alberta, which profited everybody in this country. There is no shame in Alberta, not at all.
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Mr. Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay, NDP)
  • Oct/19/23 4:29:32 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, I am very proud to rise with respect to this legislation and the urgency of moving forward. We have come across the worst climate catastrophe in our nation's history with the hottest summer on record. Normally, September is when fire season is over. Just this past September, in one weekend, more carbon was pumped into the atmosphere from burning Canadian forests than is normally pumped in an entire year of Canada's boreal forest fires. That is one part of the urgency. The other part of the urgency is that just this past month, the International Energy Agency announced that the beginning of the end of the oil and gas industry is now foreseeable on the horizon. The agency is warning governments that they have to make a plan because they are going to be stuck with stranded assets if they continue to invest in an industry that can no longer compete with what is happening internationally with the rise of—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Oct/19/23 4:30:35 p.m.
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We have a point of order from the hon. member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands.
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Mr. Jeremy Patzer
  • Oct/19/23 4:30:58 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, the member knows that it is actually government policy that is making it impossible for companies in Canada to compete internationally—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Oct/19/23 4:31:01 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
I believe that is falling into debate. The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Oct/19/23 4:31:04 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, I know that facts really tend to frighten the Conservatives. If they are feeling uncomfortable about facts, maybe they can get a little safe room where they can live in disinformation. I was talking about the International Energy Agency.
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Mr. John Brassard
  • Oct/19/23 4:31:11 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, in light of the declaration by the Speaker yesterday, I believe that this member is not subscribing to the decorum of the House that the Speaker requested, by accusing an opposition party of disinformation.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Oct/19/23 4:31:26 p.m.
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The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay can continue his speech.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Oct/19/23 4:31:33 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, I will not be intimidated by a group of climate change deniers. I will continue to speak facts. They can interrupt me all night long—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Oct/19/23 4:31:41 p.m.
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The hon. member for Sarnia—Lambton is rising on a point of order.
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Ms. Marilyn Gladu
  • Oct/19/23 4:31:44 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, I have been clear. I have stood in this House. I have talked about plans for climate change reduction. It is offensive that the member opposite is saying that we are climate change deniers.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Oct/19/23 4:31:57 p.m.
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Before we continue on debate, I suggest all members look at their phones. There is an email that would have gone out from the Speaker's office about decorum in this House of Commons to make sure that we follow those rules, try to get along better and try not to accuse people of things. The hon. deputy House leader.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Oct/19/23 4:32:28 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Mr. Speaker, on a point of order, I am just seeking clarification on your ruling. Are you saying that the term “climate change denier” is unparliamentary?
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Oct/19/23 4:32:38 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
There were lots of words in here. I just want to say that people can take time to actually review it and maybe the hon. member for Timmins—James Bay can finish up with his speech. The hon. member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands, once again.
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Mr. Jeremy Patzer
  • Oct/19/23 4:32:53 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
On that same point of order, though, Mr. Speaker, it was the Speaker, from the Liberal Party, who said that the issue was to try to get people to not use inflammatory language, which we are hearing from the member for Timmins—James Bay—
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