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House Hansard - 259

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
November 30, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 259 - Nov/30/23
Mr. Damien Kurek
  • Nov/30/23 11:46:49 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we request a recorded vote.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 11:46:54 a.m.
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Call in the members. During the taking of the vote:
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Mrs. Claude DeBellefeuille
  • Nov/30/23 12:29:42 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, could someone please check the member for Battlefords—Lloydminster's photo? It looks like she is not identifiable in her photo.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 12:29:53 p.m.
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We will check.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 12:30:22 p.m.
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I declare the motion defeated. Questions and comments, the hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Nov/30/23 12:30:31 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-27 
Mr. Speaker, the games the Conservatives continue to play to stop debate on the important issues of the day for Canadians is no surprise. At the end of the day, the very same bill, Bill C-27, is the one on which they moved the concurrence motion. Let there be no doubt that the Conservatives oppose the legislation. This is yet another tactic being used to filibuster legislation, legislation that is important to Canadians in many different ways. In this situation, we are talking about the privacy of the digital charter, which is so very important. It also talks about AI, which impacts every Canadian. My question for the member opposite is this. Why do Conservatives continue to play a destructive role on the floor of the House of Commons in an irresponsible fashion? We see this virtually on a daily basis. The best example that comes to my mind is when they filibustered and voted against the Canada-Ukraine agreement. Shame on them.
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Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner (Calgary Nose Hill, CPC)
  • Nov/30/23 12:31:38 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I have been here during my colleague's time in the House. In his role as House leader, he does not understand what we just voted on. The motion that I moved would have adjourned debate on this topic so the question could have been put to the House, we could have split the bill and the government could have had the opportunity to undertake some of the activities that have already been raised in the House. It was a motion to move forward. Therefore, I would ask him to avail himself of a better understanding of procedure in the House, rather than to cast aspersions on colleagues with respect to a very serious matter, which is moving Canada forward in alignment with the world on regulations and protections around artificial intelligence.
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Mr. Damien Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot, CPC)
  • Nov/30/23 12:32:42 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the speech of my colleague from Calgary speaks to some of the radical shifts that are taking place in the technological landscape in our country and our world. If a government is not willing to be responsive to that, it puts not only our country at an economic disadvantage, but also at a security disadvantage. I wonder if my colleague could speak further about some of the challenges. If we are not responsive to the issues surrounding specifically AI, that puts our nation at a significant disadvantage. Right now, we are already lagging behind and if the government is unwilling to be responsive, we will simply lag further behind.
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Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner
  • Nov/30/23 12:33:28 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, there are no rules around the development of this technology. IP can be stolen. Labour can be exploited. There are no rules around the deployment. This technology is highly disruptive and could be used for things like autonomous weapons. There are no rules around that either. However, there are also potential benefits. Because our country is so far behind the rest of the world on this topic and has not engaged civil society, academia or industry in a meaningful way, or international partners, we are becoming an unstable place for investment and we are rapidly going to lose talent. The brain drain for AI is real and people are rapidly leaving our country. The government needs to rethink a bill that it developed two years before the launch of large language model technologies like ChatGPT, separate it out from the privacy bill, engage civil society, industry and academia and move forward.
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Mr. Tom Kmiec (Calgary Shepard, CPC)
  • Nov/30/23 12:34:31 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, artificial intelligence obviously depends on models and information that it scoops up off the Internet. There are two sources of information to build the AI model: low-wage workers working sometimes in deplorable conditions and also AI scanning through places like Google or DuckDuckGo or other browser engines. It hoovers up data and images. When AI picks up AI images and information, it becomes extremely brittle. I think this is an opportunity to have that type of idea implemented in legislation, to address the problem of AI-generated information and images off of AI-generated information and images. I would like the member to speak to that.
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Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner
  • Nov/30/23 12:35:20 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think what my colleague highlights is a problem where the technology is changing so much faster than either the government's or Parliament's current ability to be nimble and flexible and move quickly. Just to reference the government deputy House leader's response, this is not a time for the typical theatrics we might see in the House. This bill needs to be split and the government needs to go back to the drawing board. We need to see movement on this immediately. I implore the House.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Nov/30/23 12:35:55 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I move: That the House do now proceed to orders of the day.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Nov/30/23 12:36:04 p.m.
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If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Mr. Tom Kmiec
  • Nov/30/23 12:36:31 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I request a recorded division.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Nov/30/23 12:36:43 p.m.
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Call in the members.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 1:20:03 p.m.
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I declare the motion carried.
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Hon. Soraya Martinez Ferrada
  • Nov/30/23 1:20:19 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I had some technical difficulties when I was trying to change my vote, and I would like to request unanimous consent to change my vote.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 1:20:28 p.m.
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Does the hon. member have unanimous consent to change her vote? Some hon. members: Agreed.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 1:21:54 p.m.
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If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Nov/30/23 1:21:54 p.m.
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I would request a recorded vote, please.
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