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House Hansard - 261

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 4, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 261 - Dec/4/23
Mr. Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay, NDP)
  • Dec/4/23 5:54:55 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, certainly over the last six weeks, we watched a toxic gong show from the Conservatives, who did not allow witnesses to come forward. The minister was going to come, but they did not want him. Instead, it was like watching European soccer players rolling around on the pitch. I mean no offence to European soccer players; at least they get a goal in once in a while. I would ask the member about the way she has misrepresented all of these issues. Last year, there were 133 witnesses and 120 hours of hearings on clean energy. At no point did any of those witnesses allege some kind of conspiracy, yet the member is going public and using very loaded language about a globalist agenda. I would like to know whether the language for a “globalist agenda” came from her or whether it came from her leader's office? That needs to be explained—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 5:55:48 p.m.
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I will let the hon. member finish in a second. There is a point of order from the hon. official opposition House leader.
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Hon. Andrew Scheer
  • Dec/4/23 5:55:52 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I would like to call the hon. member on relevance. He is going down some rabbit holes and verging on unparliamentary language. I would just ask him to keep to the merit of the actual legislation without the loaded language that—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 5:56:08 p.m.
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I believe that is a point of debate. I would ask the hon. member for Timmins—James Bay to wrap it up.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 5:56:16 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I would like to know about the language for “globalist agenda”. Did she make that up? There is not a single witness who used such outrageous language.
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Mrs. Shannon Stubbs
  • Dec/4/23 5:56:26 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, first of all, I actually already addressed the point in the previous 20 minutes, so I guess the member missed that. However, to talk about misrepresentation, of course, the study in committee that he is referring to had many witnesses. None of them called it “sustainable jobs”; they all called it “just transition”, which is why the Bloc is quite rightly asking why the Liberals have abandoned that language. The study in committee, of course, was not about the bill before us at all. Regardless, they introduced the bill before the committee was done its report and recommendations, so the entire thing is a charade by the member. I explained the concept of “globalist” and “globalism”. This is a very normal division in political philosophy. Globalism is the belief that economic and foreign policy should be planned globally and internationally—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 5:57:13 p.m.
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There is a point of order from the hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 5:57:15 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the American Jewish Committee has identified “globalist agenda” as an anti-Semitic conspiracy. It is not normal, only with extremists. Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 5:57:29 p.m.
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That is a point of debate. I do want to remind members that they need to wait until I call for questions and comments if they wish to continue to contribute to the discussion. The hon. member for Lakeland may wrap up.
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Mrs. Shannon Stubbs
  • Dec/4/23 5:57:46 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, perhaps this goes back to my more than 20 years of academic background in political philosophy. The word is not new; it is an absolutely normal ideological divide depending on perspectives of how policy, economic and foreign, decisions are to be made. What COP28 is doing right now is— An hon. member: Oh, oh! Mrs. Shannon Stubbs: Madam Speaker, can I just finish? He asked me the question and keeps interrupting.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 5:58:12 p.m.
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Could the hon. member wrap it up right now? Mr. Charlie Angus: Oh, oh! The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): I would ask the hon. member to please wait until I go to questions and comments if he wishes to try to be recognized again. The hon. member for Lakeland, very briefly.
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Mrs. Shannon Stubbs
  • Dec/4/23 5:58:41 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, maybe I will just summarize by saying that at COP28, they are globally discussing and planning for an economic policy, including, and chief among them, the just transition. Maybe the member should be a little more worried about the fact that the host of COP28 says, “There is no science out there, or no scenario out there, that says the phase-out of fossil fuel is what's going to achieve 1.5ºC.” He says, when people are asking for a phase-out of fossil fuels, “ Please help me. Show me...for a phase-out of fossil fuel that will allow for sustainable socioeconomic development, unless you want to take the world back into caves.” I hear them laughing, because they probably have a claim to make about green-washing, but they cannot stand up and justify all of their decisions based on COP28 on the one hand but then litigate it on the other.
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Mr. Francesco Sorbara (Vaughan—Woodbridge, Lib.)
  • Dec/4/23 5:59:30 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I have been listening to the hon. member for 20 minutes, and in questions and answers. I have the honour of sitting on the natural resources committee. It was filibustered by the Conservative members on that committee for the last 10 meetings. We have had no witnesses—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 5:59:50 p.m.
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The hon. member for Rivière-des-Mille-Îles has indicated that there is a problem with the interpretation. An hon. member: It has been fixed. The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): The issue has been fixed. The hon. member for Vaughan—Woodbridge.
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Mr. Francesco Sorbara
  • Dec/4/23 6:00:06 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-50 
Madam Speaker, as I said, the Conservatives on the opposite side filibustered all 10 meetings we have had on Bill C-50. Constituents back home know this. Residents know this. Canadians know this. They send us here. We are paid by the taxpayers, and all the opposite side has done is waste time and resources. We could have had witnesses. The MP has used language that I am befuddled by, such as “globalist”. The MP says, in the video that they put out a few days ago, that it is the final solution. It is language that is purely, I would say, anti-Semitic and, second, purely wrong. Madam Speaker, through you—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:00:43 p.m.
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We need the hon. member to answer because we are running out of time. We have a point of order from the hon. member for Calgary Centre.
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Mr. Greg McLean
  • Dec/4/23 6:00:51 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it is the second time I have heard in the House of Commons that there is something anti-Semitic being referred to on this side of the House. Nothing could be farther from the truth, and I ask the member to withdraw the comment.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:01:03 p.m.
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I just want to remind members to be mindful. Some of the wording being used is obviously causing challenges and disorder within the House. I would ask members to be careful. We have another point of order. The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 6:01:23 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I would ask you to talk with the Clerk about whether the term “globalist” has been defined as an anti-Semitic term. It has been, and it is very disturbing that we have misinformation that it is not. It is defined as an anti-Semitic conspiracy trope.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:01:47 p.m.
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Order. There is some cross-debate going on. I just want to say that I have been listening to the conversations. The wording that was used was not directed at a member. It is the language that is being used that is causing some disorder in the House. Although it is not being used directly toward a member, I would ask members to be very careful. I will allow the hon. member for Lakeland to answer.
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