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House Hansard - 261

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 4, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 261 - Dec/4/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:38:52 p.m.
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Order. If anybody else wants to contribute to that, they should wait until the appropriate time, especially when one of their members has the floor. The hon. member for Calgary Centre.
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Mr. Greg McLean
  • Dec/4/23 6:39:00 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am asking you to make the member withdraw that remark because there was no threat of physical violence. It was for the member to try to make that statement outside of the House of Commons, where there is no parliamentary privilege accorded. This was from somebody who has no intention of any interaction of a physical nature whatsoever. I would ask the member to withdraw that comment, please.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:39:18 p.m.
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I would remind hon. members to please reflect on what is being said in the House before making comments. I will go back to the hon. member to see if he would please withdraw his statement.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 6:39:39 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I do not have to step outside the House to speak the truth. I am in here to speak the truth. If they do not like that, that is not my problem. I have a right to speak in this House, and I will continue to speak no matter how much they interrupt. Thank you for that, Madam Speaker. I began by speaking about the climate crisis, which is—
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Mr. Greg McLean
  • Dec/4/23 6:40:00 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. You asked him to withdraw the comment about the physical violence that he suggested my colleague visited upon him here in this House of Commons. I think everybody here in this House of Commons knows that did not occur. I would ask you to—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:40:15 p.m.
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I will ask again for the hon. member to withdraw the comment, which included the word “fight”.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 6:40:23 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I was asked to step out. Where I come from, when someone is asked to step outside, there is a common understanding—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:40:30 p.m.
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I just want to remind the hon. member that— Some hon. members: Oh, oh! The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes): Order. I want to remind the hon. member that there are different interpretations of certain words. Obviously it has caused some disorder in the House. I would ask the member to please withdraw the comment that he made that the hon. member wanted to fight him. Again, I will give the member the opportunity to do that, so that we can get on with the debate.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 6:41:01 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I will continue, but I have a right to speak in this House. I do not need to step outside. I will not step outside when I have the right, unless you, Madam Speaker want me to leave the House. I will not—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:41:11 p.m.
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As opposed to the hon. member attempting to provide an explanation, I am just asking him to withdraw the comment that he made so that he can go on with his speech. The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 6:41:22 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I have a right to speak in this House. If you do not believe I have a right to speak, then you should make a ruling. He told me to step outside over something—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:41:36 p.m.
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Order. The hon. member was asked to withdraw his comment. I am asking him to withdraw the comment so that he can continue on with his speech. The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 6:41:52 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think I made it very clear. I was told to step outside. I will not step outside. If you want me to step outside, then you can—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:42:01 p.m.
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The hon. member mentioned that the hon. member was asking him to step out to fight. That is not what was said in the House. It was not an interpretation. I would just ask him to please withdraw that.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 6:42:18 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, my interpretation, when someone says “step outside” is to step outside to fight. That is my—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:42:25 p.m.
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I have shut the hon. member's mic off. It is not about the explanation and it is not about the interpretation, it is about the word that he had used and the comment that he made. I would just ask him to please withdraw the comment.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Dec/4/23 6:42:48 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I will ask you one thing. When this harassment continues tonight, will you at least stand for me? I do not mind withdrawing a comment, but every time I speak—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • Dec/4/23 6:42:57 p.m.
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The hon. member knows full well that he can raise a point of order at any time, as well. I have asked him to withdraw the comment, and I would ask him to, please, respectfully withdraw the comment.
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Hon. Bardish Chagger
  • Dec/4/23 6:43:28 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I just want to say that, as somebody who is on this side, hearing the conversation, first of all, as you were speaking, there are members from the other side who are basically intimidating the member to stop him from speaking. The comments that were shared, and the tone in which they came, were inappropriate. The last time the opposition House leader came running out, just to make sure he was interrupted. Time and time again, whether it is in committee or in this House, we see Conservatives stand up any time that member speaks. That is harassment. That is bullying at its best. It should not be tolerated in this House.
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Mr. Jeremy Patzer
  • Dec/4/23 6:44:23 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on that very point of order, the hon. member for Timmins—James Bay was warned multiple times in committee to watch the language that he was using because of what he was alleging was going on. He has been subbed out of this committee for the last three meetings because of his misogynistic behaviour, and the fact that it was the week—
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