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House Hansard - 265

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 11, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 265 - Dec/11/23
Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 3:57:17 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think the point is made.
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Mr. Alex Ruff
  • Dec/11/23 3:57:24 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I want to clarify your point here. We are in a hybrid Parliament, so people are in this chamber regardless of whether they are here or voting virtually.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 3:57:37 p.m.
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The hon. member definitely has a point. People can vote virtually or in person.
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Mr. Chris Bittle
  • Dec/11/23 3:57:45 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on the same point of order. Who votes and who does not vote is a matter of Hansard. It is a matter of record. The hon. member did not mention certain members who were or were not here, but mentioning that half of a particular caucus was not there for a vote is a matter of Hansard, and I think that could be mentioned in debate.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 3:58:06 p.m.
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It is true that the records of our voting are public. Members can mention that people did not vote, but not that they were not in the chamber. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 3:58:21 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, to the last point of order, the member is right in the sense that if we are in hybrid, it means that members can either be inside the chamber or they can be on screen. However, after midnight, maybe Conservatives were in bed. I would suggest that, at the end of the day, let us push that to the side and talk in terms of why we are debating this particular motion today. The Conservative Party would like to give the impression—
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Mr. Greg McLean
  • Dec/11/23 3:58:57 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would point out that it is the Liberal government, which the member is a part of, that has allowed members to vote from bed. They are good with that. We have opposed that all the way. It is the Liberals who moved that into Parliament—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 3:59:10 p.m.
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Let us start with the debate. We are not redoing that point. I will allow the hon. parliamentary secretary to complete his speech.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 3:59:17 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I was moving on from the Conservatives being in bed. At the end of the day, it is up to the Conservatives, and I get the sense that they have a guilt thing going on. However, just because a significant percentage preferred sleep as opposed to voting, they are the ones who have to justify it, not me. If they are feeling a little guilty about that, that is fine. Where I have a problem is when Conservatives try to lump all those votes and say that they had a right to vote against each one of them, because—
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Mr. Pat Kelly
  • Dec/11/23 3:59:57 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. It appears that we are about 12 minutes into this speech, and we have not heard one word from the member that is relevant. This report that we are debating is about the criminal—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:00:12 p.m.
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He was about to start when he was interrupted. I am going to give him another chance.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:00:23 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member across the way has not been listening very carefully at all. I have made reference, right from the very beginning, in regard to the report. I have both motions, the motion that ultimately went to the wrong committee, in terms of the concurrence report, and the one that we are actually supposed to be debating. It is not that difficult. It is about Afghanistan and the Taliban. When we talk about Afghanistan and the Taliban—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:00:54 p.m.
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The hon. member for Cumberland—Colchester is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Stephen Ellis
  • Dec/11/23 4:00:56 p.m.
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I find it fascinating, Madam Speaker. The member on this side of the House clearly outlined the government business that is allowed, the rules in this chamber and how he can present a concurrence motion, but the member continues to say that something else should be debated at this time. That is exactly—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:01:23 p.m.
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Absolutely, it is admissible. It is part of the rules. The hon. parliamentary secretary was referring to the two reports that caused confusion with the Chair, not with the House. The hon. parliamentary secretary is rising on the same point of order.
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Mr. Stephen Ellis
  • Dec/11/23 4:01:23 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we all know very clearly that concurrence in a report is an acceptable measure in the House.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:01:23 p.m.
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Yes, it is. The hon. member—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:01:23 p.m.
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We are talking about the two reports.
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Mr. Stephen Ellis
  • Dec/11/23 4:01:23 p.m.
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Otherwise, Madam Speaker, you would, of course, have ruled that it was unacceptable to present it at that time.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:01:37 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, interruption is the game the Conservative Party is playing. I find it highly inappropriate, because it disrupts the train of thought. At the time the member stood up to say that I was not being relevant, I had both motions in my hand and was going to read the one that we are debating. That is definitely relevant, even for the simplest mind to understand, I would suggest. I would like to be able to continue with my speech and not be constantly interrupted by—
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