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House Hansard - 265

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 11, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 265 - Dec/11/23
Mr. Pat Kelly
  • Dec/11/23 4:13:04 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it is customary, in the House, to give members an opportunity to withdraw their remarks and correct the record when they say something false. He falsely said that I did not address the motion in my remarks. I asked him if he was aware, and I was correcting the points he had made—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:13:26 p.m.
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The hon. member did ask a very precise question. I would remind the hon. parliamentary secretary that he did refer to specific elements of the hon. member's speech.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:13:35 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, he did say the word “motion”. That is very good, but that is about it. Members can read what the hon. member—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:13:43 p.m.
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I would just remind the hon. parliamentary secretary that the hon. member for Calgary Rocky Ridge was asking the hon. parliamentary secretary a specific question to the hon. member's speech, not to the motion. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:13:54 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-56 
Madam Speaker, the member asked the question on the process and the process is such that there are many motions of concurrence on the Order Paper that could be introduced, not just this motion. The member would know that. The member would also know that the legislative agenda today was to deal with Bill C-56. The member would also know how many times the Conservatives will cry because they do not have enough debate time—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:14:34 p.m.
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I have to give other members the opportunity to ask questions. The hon. member for Lac-Saint-Jean.
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Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe (Lac-Saint-Jean, BQ)
  • Dec/11/23 4:14:38 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I took the time to find the motion that we are debating today, because the Conservative Party seems to be a bit confused. The motion reads as follows: In particular, the committee denounces the Taliban system of gender discrimination, systemic violence targeting minority communities...and other violations of fundamental human rights. This motion clearly refers to human rights. However, last year, when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, the Conservative member for Peace River—Westlock made a video on Facebook Live in which he enthusiastically applauded and said that access to abortion in Canada was the greatest human rights tragedy of our time. Despite all that, the first thing that the newly elected Leader of the Opposition did after his party's leadership race was to appoint the member for Peace River—Westlock as human rights critic. He also made that member the vice-chair of the Subcommittee on International Human Rights of the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Development. How out of touch with Quebeckers and Canadians does the Leader of the Opposition have to be to appoint someone who applauds when access to abortion is reduced in another country?
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:16:02 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the impact of the whole issue of the court decision on Roe v. Wade was, I think, fairly profound. There was a great deal of disappointment from coast to coast to coast here in Canada. One has to be concerned, in how the Conservative right responded to the decision. It, in essence, implied, at the very least, and I am being kind, support. I think that really raises the issue to the degree in which—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:16:42 p.m.
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The hon. member for Calgary Centre is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Greg McLean
  • Dec/11/23 4:16:47 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member is straying into complete falsehood here. There has not been any acquiescence on any abortion debate in the United States by any party in the House.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:16:55 p.m.
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The hon. member is answering a question from another colleague. I would ask the hon. parliamentary secretary to conclude to give other members a chance to ask a question.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:17:04 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I was responding to a specific Bloc question, in which I have implied, through my comments, that I agree, in principle, with what the member is saying. The Conservative Party's stance on the issue was a great disappointment to many Canadians.
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Mr. Greg McLean
  • Dec/11/23 4:17:30 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on the same point of order, I will challenge the member on that again, and I will challenge you to correct the member because the Conservative Party has no stance on that issue. It has never stated any stance on such matter—
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Ms. Heather McPherson
  • Dec/11/23 4:17:42 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on the same point of order, I want to make sure it is very clear on the record that the Conservative Party of Canada filibustered a study in the foreign affairs committee for 16 weeks so that it would not have to study women's reproductive rights. The member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:18:02 p.m.
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That is entering into debate. The hon. member for Lac-Saint-Jean.
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Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe
  • Dec/11/23 4:18:07 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, they are saying that what I said is false. The member I mentioned, the member for Peace River—Westlock, did a Facebook Live video when the Roe v. Wade decision was overturned. He said that it was excellent news, that this was his mission in politics and that this kind of decision should be made in Canada. If members are saying that it is not true, they should go watch the video. It is still online.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:18:34 p.m.
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We are getting into a debate about what was seen or not seen. I will let the member for Timmins—James Bay ask a question.
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Mr. Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay, NDP)
  • Dec/11/23 4:18:43 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I have been listening to the conversation. I was really shocked that the member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan took this discussion of the Taliban and then tried to talk about support for Ukraine. We are not going to say who was not in the House, but in the House I saw the leader of the Conservative Party, the foreign affairs critic and the defence critic sending a very clear message. They stood up to vote against Operation Unifier. They stood up to vote against Ukraine in the same week the right-wing in the United States shut down Zelenskyy, and at the same time that Orban in Hungary, and there are certainly Conservatives over there who are friends of Orban, has been undermining Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people. What does my colleague think about the Conservatives having the gall to pretend that they are supporting Ukraine, when the Ukrainian Canadian Congress has called out the Conservative leader and his party—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:19:37 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:19:41 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the president of Ukraine came to Canada in September and signed a Canada-Ukraine modernization trade agreement. A couple months later, we had that legislation brought forward to the House. Games were being played. Ultimately, the Conservative Party of Canada voted against the trade agreement. Now it is filibustering the trade agreement. Over the marathon votes, the Conservatives, on three separate occasions, voted against supports to Ukraine. I say shame on them, from the leadership down, for not supporting Ukraine—
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