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House Hansard - 265

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 11, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 265 - Dec/11/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:16:42 p.m.
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The hon. member for Calgary Centre is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Greg McLean
  • Dec/11/23 4:16:47 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the member is straying into complete falsehood here. There has not been any acquiescence on any abortion debate in the United States by any party in the House.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:16:55 p.m.
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The hon. member is answering a question from another colleague. I would ask the hon. parliamentary secretary to conclude to give other members a chance to ask a question.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:17:04 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I was responding to a specific Bloc question, in which I have implied, through my comments, that I agree, in principle, with what the member is saying. The Conservative Party's stance on the issue was a great disappointment to many Canadians.
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Mr. Greg McLean
  • Dec/11/23 4:17:30 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on the same point of order, I will challenge the member on that again, and I will challenge you to correct the member because the Conservative Party has no stance on that issue. It has never stated any stance on such matter—
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Ms. Heather McPherson
  • Dec/11/23 4:17:42 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on the same point of order, I want to make sure it is very clear on the record that the Conservative Party of Canada filibustered a study in the foreign affairs committee for 16 weeks so that it would not have to study women's reproductive rights. The member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:18:02 p.m.
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That is entering into debate. The hon. member for Lac-Saint-Jean.
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Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe
  • Dec/11/23 4:18:07 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, they are saying that what I said is false. The member I mentioned, the member for Peace River—Westlock, did a Facebook Live video when the Roe v. Wade decision was overturned. He said that it was excellent news, that this was his mission in politics and that this kind of decision should be made in Canada. If members are saying that it is not true, they should go watch the video. It is still online.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:18:34 p.m.
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We are getting into a debate about what was seen or not seen. I will let the member for Timmins—James Bay ask a question.
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Mr. Charlie Angus (Timmins—James Bay, NDP)
  • Dec/11/23 4:18:43 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I have been listening to the conversation. I was really shocked that the member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan took this discussion of the Taliban and then tried to talk about support for Ukraine. We are not going to say who was not in the House, but in the House I saw the leader of the Conservative Party, the foreign affairs critic and the defence critic sending a very clear message. They stood up to vote against Operation Unifier. They stood up to vote against Ukraine in the same week the right-wing in the United States shut down Zelenskyy, and at the same time that Orban in Hungary, and there are certainly Conservatives over there who are friends of Orban, has been undermining Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian people. What does my colleague think about the Conservatives having the gall to pretend that they are supporting Ukraine, when the Ukrainian Canadian Congress has called out the Conservative leader and his party—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:19:37 p.m.
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The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:19:41 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the president of Ukraine came to Canada in September and signed a Canada-Ukraine modernization trade agreement. A couple months later, we had that legislation brought forward to the House. Games were being played. Ultimately, the Conservative Party of Canada voted against the trade agreement. Now it is filibustering the trade agreement. Over the marathon votes, the Conservatives, on three separate occasions, voted against supports to Ukraine. I say shame on them, from the leadership down, for not supporting Ukraine—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:20:16 p.m.
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The hon. member for Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound.
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Mr. Alex Ruff (Bruce—Grey—Owen Sound, CPC)
  • Dec/11/23 4:20:19 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I want to answer the member's question, and then I am going to ask him a favour. The reason we are debating this and why it is so important for this to be debated today, as I read in my previous intervention, is that women who are stuck in Pakistan and are being forced to return to Afghanistan will be eliminated. Those are their words, not mine. There are a number of Afghans who are supposed to come to Canada as part of the programs that were put in place along with the SIM program. We are now hearing rumours that the program is frozen and people's application processes are not being moved forward. Canada said it was going to help these people. There are lots of Afghans, whom I know personally and through my connections, who are still stuck in Afghanistan, and now they are in limbo. We are also coming up on the one-year anniversary of one of the former Afghan women MPs being murdered by the Taliban regime. We have had an all-party team working for over a year, and how many of those women MPs are here? I ask the member to use his influence as a parliamentary secretary to ensure these Afghans, especially these Afghan women and children, are given the opportunity to get to Canada and are not frozen in limbo where they face certain death if they get sent back to Afghanistan.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Dec/11/23 4:21:41 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I appreciate member's mentioning the contributions to the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan, and all those who have served. There are about 40,000 Canadian soldiers that were there, from what I understand. If the Conservative Party really felt this was the type of debate that should be taking place, it could do it through a take-note debate or an emergency debate. There are different forms that would have enabled the debate to take place. The member himself could have been speaking to this and introducing it. That might have given it a bit more credibility. There is absolutely no doubt that we, as a government, had no idea the opposition was going to be bringing forward this concurrence debate. That is why I believe this is another example of the Conservatives using concurrence motions as a way to frustrate government legislation.
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Mr. Larry Maguire
  • Dec/11/23 4:22:51 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on a point of order, it would be nice if the government would help out in this way, but the member is admitting that they do not know the rules of the House and that they did not know what was on the agenda. Therefore, I am rising on a point of order to say that this is the normal business of the House.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:23:00 p.m.
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It is indeed normal procedure, but the hon. member was referencing the specific report being brought to concurrence. Resuming debate, the hon. member for Lac-Saint-Jean has the floor.
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Mr. Alexis Brunelle-Duceppe (Lac-Saint-Jean, BQ)
  • Dec/11/23 4:23:10 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I thought this moment would never come. It may come up from time to time. I was not expecting to give a 20-minute speech about this. I had prepared a speech on another committee report, but in the end, things changed. In my opinion, the Conservatives may have slept too much. Looking back on the votes that were held during the 30-hour voting marathon, the members who voted the least were certainly not members of the other parties. I do not know what they were thinking. They sort of remind me of Icarus. Do my colleagues know the story of Icarus, the man who wanted to fly the fastest and highest? Before long, he burned his wings. When he got close to the sun, all of a sudden his wings caught fire and he quickly fell back to Earth. I get the impression that is what happened here.
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Mr. Larry Maguire
  • Dec/11/23 4:24:15 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on a point of order, I am not seeing the relevance of some of the comments my colleague made on voting and who was here or not. We know from the record, and it is public record—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/11/23 4:24:20 p.m.
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I do not think the hon. member said who was here or not here, just who got sleep and who did not get sleep. The hon. member for Lac-Saint-Jean.
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