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House Hansard - 271

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
January 30, 2024 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 271 - Jan/30/24
Mr. Damien Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot, CPC)
  • Jan/30/24 10:30:03 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I appreciate the opportunity to highlight that, very specifically, the statement I made during petitions did not politicize— Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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The Speaker
  • Jan/30/24 10:30:18 a.m.
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Before I go to the point of order, I am just going to take a minute. I am going to ask the hon. member for Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies for order. Mr. Kurek is rising on a point of order. I am going to go to the point of order raised by the member for New Westminster—Burnaby, but I am hoping that Mr. Kurek—
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Mr. Damien Kurek
  • Jan/30/24 10:31:16 a.m.
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I have been named before.
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The Speaker
  • Jan/30/24 10:31:20 a.m.
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I apologize. I should not mention a member's name. There is no intention to name him at this point, and I hope there will never be an opportunity to do so. The member is an hon. member, and I am hoping that he can help us restore order to the House, so I will ask the hon. member to please continue with his statement, but very briefly.
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Mr. Damien Kurek
  • Jan/30/24 10:31:39 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I intentionally did not politicize the content of the statement, but rather highlighted the fact that there was a particular member of this place who did refuse to present that petition when given the opportunity in the past. I ask that my word be allowed to stand, because it simply is the truth, and I intentionally did not politicize what those petitioners from—
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Mr. Peter Julian
  • Jan/30/24 10:32:09 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The rules of this House are quite clear. You have asked the member to apologize. He has refused. He should not be recognized in this House until he apologizes.
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The Speaker
  • Jan/30/24 10:32:21 a.m.
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I am just a little rusty. I did not ask the member to apologize. I did ask him to stand up to express, and I was hoping he would do so voluntarily. There was a ruling on December 12 of last year. To ensure consistency with that decision, I would ask the hon. member to withdraw comments he made that could upset the House and apologize at all costs. The hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot.
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Mr. Damien Kurek
  • Jan/30/24 10:32:54 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I would ask for clarification on the ruling before I stand and apologize for something. I believe I did nothing wrong.
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The Speaker
  • Jan/30/24 10:33:39 a.m.
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I am going to ask once again for the member for Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, who was asked to apologize, to be consistent with the ruling of this Chair, because when members present petitions there should be no comment aside from the substance of the petition. To mention whether another hon. member presented it or did not, for whatever reason, it should stand as it is. Before we go to points of order, I will ask the hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot to be consistent with this, to start the new year right and, please, to briefly apologize and withdraw those comments. In presenting petitions in the future, all members should just focus on the substance of the petitions and not make comments as to other issues. I will ask the hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot to please stand.
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Mr. Damien Kurek
  • Jan/30/24 10:34:41 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I will not apologize for standing up for the people of this country. They are not being—
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The Speaker
  • Jan/30/24 10:35:00 a.m.
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Until the member does rise to apologize, the Chair will not be recognizing the member. The hon. member for Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Bob Zimmer
  • Jan/30/24 10:35:07 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, just for clarity, this precedent was supposedly set because of what I apologized for. I said at the time that if I did something wrong, then I will apologize, I guess. It still was not clear whether I had broken any rules. However, I said I will never apologize for representing the people of Skeena—Bulkley Valley. That is exactly what I said. There is no clear ruling on this saying that we even broke any rule by doing so, and so please—
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The Speaker
  • Jan/30/24 10:35:32 a.m.
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I thank the hon. member for that. We will certainly take a look to make sure everything is consistent. However, from the advice I received from the officers at the table, it is.
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Mr. John Williamson
  • Jan/30/24 10:35:47 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I think that the advice you are getting from the table officers has to be explained to the House. It is an honour to stand in the House—
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The Speaker
  • Jan/30/24 10:35:57 a.m.
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We are getting into debate. The Chair did explain what was brought forward by the table officers. I ask members to continue to be patient, and we will be able to bring it forward. I ask members to please take their seats for the moment while I go through the point of order. I will be getting back to the House. Continuing with petitions, the hon. member for Saanich—Gulf Islands.
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Ms. Elizabeth May (Saanich—Gulf Islands, GP)
  • Jan/30/24 10:36:50 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise and present my first petition of calendar year 2024. It is perhaps not too late to wish all members in this collegial and loving environment a happy new year. I would like to present a petition from constituents who are concerned that we move towards a just transition, and that in phasing out fossil fuels and winding down the fossil fuel industry, there be a centring of workers in the process; good, green jobs and inclusive workforce development that proceed expeditiously; expansion of the social safety net to new income supports; decarbonization of public housing; and operational funding for affordable and accessible public transit. There are a number of other points in the petition, but I think these are the salient ones that the petitioners hope the government will take on board and implement.
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The Speaker
  • Jan/30/24 10:37:47 a.m.
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On the issue that was raised by the member for Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, we did look at Hansard and find that the member did apologize for breaking the rules. I would invite members to look at it and see that the member did apologize for breaking the rules. I thank the member for doing so. Mr. Bob Zimmer: I said, “if I broke the rules”. The Speaker: There is no debate on this issue; there is just the presentation. The record has stood in the House of Commons as to what happened in December.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • Jan/30/24 10:39:04 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I would like to bring to your attention your lack of consistency on this issue. The member from the NDP raised a point or order, and you immediately followed, saying that when presenting petitions, it should be the matter of the petition only that is addressed. Immediately following, another member made a quite extensive presentation regarding the petition he was presenting. You did not intervene then, so why would you intervene in the issue with the member for Battle River—Crowfoot? Mr. Glen Motz: It's not because you're partisan or anything, is it?
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The Speaker
  • Jan/30/24 10:40:59 a.m.
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That is not considered parliamentary. I invite the member to immediately stand up to apologize, or he will not be recognized by this Chair.
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Mr. Glen Motz
  • Jan/30/24 10:41:31 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I withdraw the comment, but these are comments that I hear from my constituents on a daily—
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