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House Hansard - 298

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
April 11, 2024 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 298 - Apr/11/24
The Deputy Speaker
  • Apr/11/24 1:40:19 p.m.
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We have a point of order from the hon. member for Lakeland.
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Mrs. Shannon Stubbs
  • Apr/11/24 1:40:25 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, that member just likened duly elected members of Parliament on the Standing Committee on Natural Resources to Brownshirts.
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Mr. Kyle Seeback
  • Apr/11/24 1:40:41 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, on that point of order, everybody knows what the term “Brownshirts” refers to. It refers to Nazi Germany. This member is effectively calling Conservative members on that committee Nazis. He needs to immediately apologize. It is a disgraceful remark.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Apr/11/24 1:40:59 p.m.
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The hon. member should retract that. The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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Mrs. Shannon Stubbs
  • Apr/11/24 1:41:10 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, for that exact member to be characterizing the actions of my duly elected colleagues, who are Conservative members on the natural resources committee, in the way that he has actually lines up perfectly given that he told me to “eff off” in the committee meeting—
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Apr/11/24 1:41:10 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am more than willing, because I think if you looked into the—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Apr/11/24 1:41:25 p.m.
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That is descending into debate. Let us go back to the issue of being judicious with the words we are using. The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay has the floor.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Apr/11/24 1:41:35 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I was talking about the politics of intimidation. I was talking about how my daughter's photos were being posted online. I was talking about—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Apr/11/24 1:41:44 p.m.
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We have another point of order. The hon. member for New Brunswick Southwest.
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Mr. John Williamson
  • Apr/11/24 1:41:46 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I have neither heard a retraction nor an apology. You asked for it. It needs to be explicit. We need to hear it in this chamber, not just a running over of it like it did not happen. The member should retract and apologize.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Apr/11/24 1:42:00 p.m.
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The usage of that term is not correct. Could the hon. member retract it and then move on? The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Apr/11/24 1:42:10 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I was pretty sure that I used it as a simile, that these were the tactics they were using—
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Apr/11/24 1:42:24 p.m.
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Retract.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Apr/11/24 1:42:27 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I retract it, but I do know that they have met with neo-Nazis from Germany. That is a separate issue.
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Mr. Mel Arnold
  • Apr/11/24 1:42:44 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the member has been here a long time and will hopefully not be here much longer, but he has been here long enough to know that one cannot say indirectly what one cannot say directly. He knows that. He should know better. He needs to apologize or leave the chamber.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Apr/11/24 1:42:48 p.m.
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Would the hon. member for Timmins—James Bay please retract and apologize for the usage of that term?
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Apr/11/24 1:43:04 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, yes, certainly, I retract it, but I will now go back to the point— Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Apr/11/24 1:43:04 p.m.
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I cannot hear anything, so I would not know. The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Apr/11/24 1:43:06 p.m.
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The hon. member for Saskatoon—University.
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Mr. Charlie Angus
  • Apr/11/24 1:43:06 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, it is very telling because we did have to listen to eight hours of screaming, shouting and intimidation—
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