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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

May/8/24 6:51:59 p.m.
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That is not the way I meant it. It was misunderstood. I was looking at who was getting up. I was looking this way instead. That is simply how it came out. I apologize. The hon. member for Rimouski-Neigette-Témiscouata-Les Basques.

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Mr. Maxime Blanchette-Joncas (Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, BQ)

May/8/24 6:52:24 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we are going to make history, but maybe not for the right reasons. We are witnessing a miracle: The Conservative Party has become the party that cares about vulnerable people, the middle class and families. They call it common sense. I would like to discuss common sense with my colleague. Currently, we are discussing the bill that implements the economic update. In the economic update, according to the last budget, there is a tax credit for the energy sector to the tune of $20 billion. The Conservative Party has not said a word about it. I would like my colleague to tell me if he is proud that his party supports a tax credit of $20 billion that could help the middle class, families, access to housing. That is the question my colleague is avoiding. That is the money that will enable oil and gas companies to rake in even greater profits.

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Mr. Damien Kurek

May/8/24 6:53:24 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am proud to represent the heart of the Canadian energy sector, about 2.5% of Canada's economy, which contributes to the equalization that benefits the member's province specifically. Let me suggest this: A prosperous Canada benefits everybody. For a member of a party that claims to stand up for jurisdictional rights and responsibilities within this country, I would suggest his party adopt an attitude that encourages prosperity and economic advancement, as opposed to trying to bankrupt part of the country, which would have not only a devastating effect on the people I represent but the entire country. Instead of punishing people, let us build a country that actually builds a prosperous future for all Canadians. That is how we make a rich middle class in this country. It is regrettable that we have a coalition among three left-wing parties that refuse to do so.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

May/8/24 6:54:21 p.m.
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I just want to again apologize. I thought it was a Conservative member who had risen in the corner. I wanted to make sure I had respected party parity. I am sorry. I just want to reiterate to members to stay within the motion. I know it is large, but please mention the motion every once in a while. That way we can avoid points of order. Resuming debate, the hon. Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons.

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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)

May/8/24 6:54:58 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I can assure you I will remain very relevant. In fact, the person who moved the motion—

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Mr. Philip Lawrence

May/8/24 6:55:13 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I believe if you look deep into the recesses of Bosc and Gagnon, it says that if a member gets over 10 million interventions, they are cut off.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

May/8/24 6:55:26 p.m.
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I know that is not a point of order. I think the hon. member should mention a standing order next time. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader, your time starts now.

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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux

May/8/24 6:55:38 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it is truly amazing. We have the Conservative Party of Canada, which many would call the Reform Party, because it is, for all intents and purposes, more the Reform Party than it is the Conservative Party, and I will try to explain to those who might be attempting to follow the debate. We are talking about the fall economic statement, which is something that was introduced late last year. The Conservative member who moved this motion is criticizing the government for taking so long to get this legislation passed, which is truly amazing, because it is the Conservative Party that is preventing the legislation from passing by filibustering the legislation, and today is an excellent example. What is the member actually moving? He is moving a motion to delete the short title of the legislation. What is the short title of the legislation? It is the “Fall Economic Statement Implementation Act, 2023”. This is a relatively large piece of legislation, and this member, who I hope did not require AI assistance this time around, comes up with an amendment to delete that short title. Then he says that not doing this, not passing this legislation, has a consequence. Well, the member is somewhat right, even though he does not admit that the Conservative Party, or the Reformers in the Conservative Party, are the problem in terms of why it is not passing, and many of them are rural members of Parliament. Within this legislation is action that would double the rural top-up for the carbon rebate. This means that the Reformers across the way, the Conservative Party, are in fact keeping money away from rural communities in Canada, because they made the decision that they do not want this legislation to pass. To amplify that, they bring in a silly motion meant for one purpose, which is purely obstruction. Then the member asks who the Liberals are talking to, and he is critical of some of my caucus colleagues. Let me frame it in a different way. After all, the member himself said, “The buck stops with the one who is in charge”, implying the Prime Minister. Let me reverse this on the member opposite. He is trying to ask who we are talking to versus who the Conservatives are talking to, so let us talk about the leaders. The Prime Minister of Canada came to Winnipeg one day, and we were talking about child care. He came to Stanley Knowles School in my riding, and we talked about the importance of $10-a-day child care. What is wrong with talking to child care workers? The next time the Prime Minister came to Winnipeg, we went to the Grace Hospital. It was the premier, the provincial minister of health, the Prime Minister and the federal Minister of Health. They talked about the $200-billion transfer for a generation of providing services in health care on issues such as mental health, family doctors and so forth. We were surrounded by the real VIPs, which were the health care workers who were there. These are the people we are listening to. In fact, the last time the Prime Minister came to Winnipeg, we met again with the premier and the provincial minister of housing. We also had the mayor of Winnipeg, and along with the Prime Minister was the Minister of Housing. We talked about the issue of housing and, again, we had stakeholders there. When we think of the budget or the fall economic statement, what we will see is that they are a reflection of what Canadians are telling us. Whether it is the member for Avalon, me or the member from Surrey, we take the ideas and the thoughts that constituents and Canadians tell us and bring them here to Ottawa. The budget and the fall economic statement are a reflection of Canadian values and what they are—

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

May/8/24 7:00:56 p.m.
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I have a point of order from the hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot.

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Mr. Damien Kurek

May/8/24 7:01:00 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, while I am concerned that no other Liberal seems to be allowed to speak, I would ask for a quorum call. On an issue as important as this, I would hope we could find quorum in this place.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

May/8/24 7:01:30 p.m.
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I am sure the hon. member already knows we cannot do quorum calls during these debates. This is something that has been stated before. The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby also has a point of order.

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Mr. Peter Julian

May/8/24 7:01:48 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we are debating six words, “Fall Economic Statement Implementation Act, 2023,” the short title. The Conservatives moved, at a cost now of $70,000 to Canadian taxpayers, to delete those six words. That is what the Conservatives have put on the table. It is unbelievable. I would ask my colleague from Winnipeg North, through you, Madam Speaker, to stick to those six words the Conservatives want to spend $70,000 to delete.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

May/8/24 7:02:24 p.m.
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The hon. member did mention the short title. I will also note that a previous Speaker, on March 21, 2023, indicated that there is some latitude. However, members should be making their comments relevant to the motion that is before the House and should also avoid the repetition of points that have already been made. I just want to say there is some latitude, but I hope the members will reference the title from time to time. The hon. parliamentary secretary has the floor.

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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux

May/8/24 7:03:17 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, before the interruption, I was talking about how Liberal members are out connecting with Canadians and reporting back. When we think of the amendment being proposed today, it is absolutely ridiculous. I believe there are very few outside of the Reformers who would actually support such a silly amendment, because they would understand it is nothing more than a filibuster or an obstruction tactic from the Conservatives. I was reflecting on how the Prime Minister and members of the Liberal caucus do their consulting. Who do the Conservative Party members consult with? Who gave them the idea to continue the filibustering we are seeing? I have a fairly good sense. It is the MAGA right, the far right element in the Conservative Party today, the individual who wants to demonstrate, even though it is not true, that the institutions we participate in are dysfunctional. The Conservatives bring in amendments of this nature and then say the government cannot pass legislation, when they are the ones who are going out of their way to prevent legislation from passing. This is a Donald Trump type of tactic from the MAGA right and that has seeped into the leader of the Conservative Party today. It is that far right element trying to take away the validity of what takes place on the floor of the House of Commons. I pointed out who the Prime Minister is meeting with, but who is giving advice to the Conservative leader? Do we remember Diagolon? It is a pretty far right group of people, and we have the leader of—

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

May/8/24 7:05:41 p.m.
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We have another point of order from the hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot. Can he maybe state the standing order he is rising on first?

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Mr. Damien Kurek

May/8/24 7:05:49 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, when it comes to the quorum call, certainly the pretense under which the bill appears to debated, the unconstitutionality—

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

May/8/24 7:05:57 p.m.
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I want to remind members that we are not doing quorum calls, and I will not entertain any further points of order if the hon. member continues with regard to that. If the hon. member for Battle River—Crowfoot has other questions on that, I would say that he can try to raise them during questions and comments, but, again, there are no quorum calls during this debate. The hon. parliamentary secretary has the floor.

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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux

May/8/24 7:06:25 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it is unfortunate. I know it might please the member opposite and maybe some of the Conservatives in the back room. They do not necessarily like hearing the truth, so they stand in here to try to disrupt debate, which is something I find really unfortunate. Quite frankly, I think I should be allowed to start from the beginning. Having said that, with regard to the Conservative Party and its attitude, where is it getting its mandate from? Who are the people that the Conservatives are trying to please? Let there be no doubt: The Conservative House leadership team, headed by the leader of the Conservative Party and his attitude toward the chamber, is being driven by the far right. Maybe some of the Reformers do not quite get that, but that is the reality. That is the reason why the leader of the Conservative Party was very comfortable with walking in to the trailer of a member of Diagolon. All of my colleagues know that it is a far right, scary group. If someone does a Google search on it, they will find out. That is who is giving the marching orders, in many ways, for members of the Conservative Party. We are starting to see more and more of that coming from them virtually every day.

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Mr. Damien Kurek

May/8/24 7:07:59 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I rise on a point of order. During my speech that preceded the speech of the hon. member, or at least that it is what we are considered in this place, it was made very clear that impugning an individual's motives required an apology and a withdrawal. Out of respect for the Chair and the institution here, I gave exactly that, yet the member has now gone on at length with these tinfoil-hat-type conspiracies, impugning the good reputation of members of this place. I would simply ask that there be a fair application of the rules of this place to all political parties.

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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)

May/8/24 7:08:42 p.m.
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I am sorry. I heard it but I did not see to whom it was directed or how it was directed, so I am going to look into that and come back to the House if need be. I do want to remind members to try to keep their speech directly to the motion that is before the House, which is on the short title. I would remind the hon. parliamentary secretary of that as well. The hon. parliamentary secretary is rising on the same point of order.

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