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House Hansard - 329

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 11, 2024 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 329 - Jun/11/24
Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Jun/11/24 10:13:56 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8)(a), I have the honour to table, in both official languages the Government's responses to five petitions. These returns will be tabled in an electronic format. While I am on my feet, I move: That the House do now proceed to orders of the day.
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The Speaker
  • Jun/11/24 10:14:17 a.m.
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If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Mr. Tom Kmiec
  • Jun/11/24 10:14:45 a.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I request a recorded division.
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The Speaker
  • Jun/11/24 10:14:55 a.m.
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Call in the members.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/11/24 10:58:32 a.m.
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I declare the motion carried.
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Mr. Tom Kmiec (Calgary Shepard, CPC)
  • Jun/11/24 10:58:53 a.m.
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moved: Motion No. 17 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 97. Motion No. 18 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 98. Motion No. 19 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 99. Motion No. 20 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 100. Motion No. 21 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 101. Motion No. 22 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 102. Motion No. 23 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 103. Motion No. 24 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 104. Motion No. 25 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 105. Motion No. 26 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 106. Motion No. 27 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 107.
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Mr. Tony Baldinelli (Niagara Falls, CPC)
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moved: Motion No. 39 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 173. Motion No. 40 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 174. Motion No. 41 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 175. Motion No. 42 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 176. Motion No. 43 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 177. Motion No. 44 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 180. Motion No. 45 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 181. Motion No. 46 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 184. Motion No. 47 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 185. Motion No. 48 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 186.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Jun/11/24 10:58:53 a.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-69 
There are 161 motions in amendment standing on the Notice Paper for the report stage of Bill C-69. Motions Nos. 1 to 161 will be grouped for debate and voted upon according to the voting pattern available at the table. I will now put Motions Nos. 1 to 161 to the House.
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Mr. Jacques Gourde (Lévis—Lotbinière, CPC)
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moved: Motion No. 1 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 81. Motion No. 2 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 82. Motion No. 3 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 83. Motion No. 4 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 84. Motion No. 5 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 85. Motion No. 6 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 86. Motion No. 7 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 87. Motion No. 8 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 88. Motion No. 9 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 89.
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Mrs. Rosemarie Falk (Battlefords—Lloydminster, CPC)
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moved: Motion No. 10 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 90. Motion No. 11 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 91. Motion No. 12 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 92. Motion No. 13 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 93. Motion No. 14 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 94. Motion No. 15 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 95. Motion No. 16 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 96.
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Mr. Jamie Schmale (Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, CPC)
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moved: Motion No. 28 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 108. Motion No. 29 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 109. Motion No. 30 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 110. Motion No. 31 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 111. Motion No. 32 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 147. Motion No. 33 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 148. Motion No. 34 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 150. Motion No. 35 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 151. Motion No. 36 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 152. Motion No. 37 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 153. Motion No. 38 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 154.
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Mr. Gabriel Ste-Marie (Joliette, BQ)
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moved: Motion No. 49 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 198. Motion No. 50 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 199. Motion No. 51 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 200. Motion No. 52 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 201. Motion No. 53 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 202. Motion No. 54 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 203. Motion No. 55 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 204. Motion No. 56 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 205. Motion No. 57 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 206. Motion No. 58 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 207. Motion No. 59 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 208. Motion No. 60 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 209. Motion No. 61 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 210. Motion No. 62 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 211. Motion No. 63 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 212. Motion No. 64 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 213. Motion No. 65 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 214. Motion No. 66 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 215. Motion No. 67 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 216. Motion No. 68 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 217. Motion No. 69 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 218. Motion No. 70 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 219. Motion No. 71 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 220. Motion No. 72 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 221. Motion No. 73 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 222. Motion No. 74 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 223. Motion No. 75 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 225. Motion No. 76 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 225. Motion No. 77 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 226. Motion No. 78 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 227.
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Mr. Jasraj Singh Hallan (Calgary Forest Lawn, CPC)
  • Jun/11/24 11:14:20 a.m.
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moved: Motion No. 79 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 269. Motion No. 80 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 270. Motion No. 81 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 271. Motion No. 82 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 272. Motion No. 83 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 273. Motion No. 84 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 274. Motion No. 85 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 275. Motion No. 86 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 276. Motion No. 87 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 277. Motion No.88 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 278. Motion No. 89 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 279. Motion No. 90 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 280. Motion No. 91 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 281. Motion No. 92 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 282. Motion No. 93 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 283. Motion No. 94 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 284. Motion No. 95 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 285. Motion No. 96 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 286. Motion No. 97 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 287. Motion No. 98 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 288. Motion No. 99 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 289. Motion No. 100 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 290. Motion No. 101 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 291. Motion No. 102 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 292. Motion No. 103 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 293. Motion No. 104 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 294. Motion No. 105 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 295. Motion No. 106 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 296. Motion No. 107 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 297. Motion No. 108 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 298. Motion No. 109 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 299. Motion No. 110 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 300. Motion No. 111 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 301. Motion No. 112 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 302. Motion No. 113 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 303. Motion No. 114 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 304. Motion No. 115 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 305. Motion No. 116 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 306. Motion No. 117 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 307. Motion No. 118 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 308. Motion No. 119 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 309. Motion No. 120 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 310. Motion No. 121 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 311. Motion No. 122 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 312. Motion No. 123 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 313. Motion No. 124 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 314. Motion No. 125 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 315. Motion No. 126 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 316. Motion No. 127 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 317. Motion No. 128 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 318. Motion No. 129 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 319. Motion No. 130 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 322. Motion No. 131 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 323. Motion No. 132 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 324. Motion No. 133 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 325. Motion No. 134 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 326. Motion No. 135 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 327. Motion No. 136 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 328. Motion No. 137 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 329. Motion No. 138 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 330. Motion No. 139 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 331. Motion No. 140 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 332. Motion No. 141 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 333. Motion No. 142 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 336. Motion No. 143 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 337. Motion No. 144 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 338. Motion No. 145 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 339. Motion No. 146 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 442. Motion No. 147 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 443. Motion No. 148 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 445. Motion No. 149 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 446. Motion No. 150 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 447. Motion No. 151 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 448. Motion No. 152 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 449. Motion No. 153 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 450. Motion No. 154 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 461. Motion No. 155 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 462. Motion No. 156 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 463. Motion No. 157 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 464. Motion No. 158 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 465. Motion No. 159 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 466. Motion No. 160 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 467. Motion No. 161 That Bill C-69 be amended by deleting Clause 468.
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Mr. Jacques Gourde (Lévis—Lotbinière, CPC)
  • Jun/11/24 11:26:44 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, once again I am privileged to rise in the House on behalf of the people I proudly represent in Lévis—Lotbinière. Right from the outset I would just say that back home, when it comes to the word “budget”, we do not have the same definition, nor do we have the same approach to budgeting as this Prime Minister, who does not even know what the words “balance” or “economy” mean. Once again, in my 18th year here in the House, I was in attendance when the budget was delivered. Since 2015, it has been truly ridiculous to see the Finance Minister and this Prime Minister stand firm in their conviction that they are introducing a budget that is good for Canadians. We are witnessing a spendthrift government prove for the ninth year in a row that the Liberals are incompetent and irresponsible. This government's particular talent is keeping us in the financial hole we have fallen into, in spite of ourselves. We are seeing sky-high interest rates on a debt we will never be free of for as long as we live. The Prime Minister is proud to wear the same rose-coloured glasses as the Finance Minister and the extended Liberal family. They are out of touch with our reality in this country, when the facts and statistics speak for themselves. We are far from being the envy of the G7, the way we once were. The unholy and catastrophic alliance between the Liberals, the NDP and the Bloc has plunged thousands of persons and families into misery and poverty. Many of this Prime Minister's words ring false, starting with the words “budget” and “economy”. These investments on credit bring no value added to our GDP. We now have interest to pay down, in amounts that I cannot even visualize; I can only imagine stacks and stacks of cash in giant warehouses. Every one of my grandchildren born in the last seven years will bear this debt for as long as they live. They may never be able to buy a house. That is the case today for thousands of Canadians for whom home ownership is a distant dream. As the ultimate spendthrift, our Prime Minister is a prime example of someone who never wanted for money as a child. He never had to earn a single dollar to put in his piggy bank or bank account. This same Prime Minister will be spending $40 billion in new money on his new spending spree, with the unconditional support of the NDP and now the Bloc Québécois. The former Liberal governor of the Bank of Canada, David Dodge, said that he thought this budget was the worst since 1982. This year, Canada will spend $54.1 billion to service the debt, in other words, to pay the interest. That is more money than the government sends to the provinces for health care. It is a real scandal. The Bank of Canada and former Liberal finance minister John Manley both told the Prime Minister that he was increasing inflation with his spending, which was driving up interest rates. Obviously this spendthrift Prime Minister did not listen. As a result, the Bank of Canada embarked upon the most aggressive campaign to raise interest rates in its history. Millions of Canadians are now realizing this more than ever as they renew their mortgages. This Prime Minister is not going to help them. The Liberal-NDP-Bloc coalition is undermining people’s confidence in Canadian democracy and our institutions. Canadians did not vote for this kind of hypocrisy in the last election. It is not the first time in Canada’s history that a party that will never rise to power resorts to scheming with the Liberals to achieve its goals. How many people can no longer make ends meet, even when they tighten their belts, even when they get higher wages? The inflation rate continues to increase the cost of mortgages, the price of housing, the cost of groceries and all basic necessities. Before this Liberal government, it took only 39% of an average salary to cover the monthly payment on the average home. Today this figure has increased to 62%. Just last weekend I took part in the Relay for Life in Lotbinière/Lévis, a walk to raise money for cancer. I was worried when people told me they no longer recognized the country we live in and no longer feel safe with the direction the country is headed in. Life is getting dire for millions of Canadians who have exhausted their savings and their credit. They are at the end of their financial resources. Many skip a meal a day, and more and more people have to rely on food banks every week. When is this going to end? It is just so sad. Canada has the fewest housing units per 1,000 inhabitants of any G7 country. The number of housing units per 1,000 Canadians has been decreasing since 2016 because of the strong population growth. We need more housing units to keep the ratio of housing units to population stable. According to the CMHC, we need 3.5 million more units than planned to restore accessibility. In 2024, this figure will climb to 5.8 million. The Prime Minister has stated yet again that he will bring in foreign workers to address the labour shortage when we already have a hard time providing decent housing for the homeless, Canadian families and seniors. No one can tell us when the promised units will be built. Since the Liberals came to power, mortgage and housing costs have almost doubled. Stress and anxiety have become facts of life for millions of Canadians. They are worried parents, children and grandchildren who know opportunities are getting harder to come by in Canada. Not so long ago, many believed they would never find themselves in a precarious situation. They are caught in a nightmare from which they cannot wake. In nine years, the Liberals have brought us to a point from which there may be no return. Legalization of marijuana has not helped. Written briefs to the House and the work of committees can attest to that. Countries that legalized marijuana saw an increase in crime. Not surprisingly, Canada is also now experiencing this, with an ever-increasing crime rate. They also reported an increase in mental health problems. We too are seeing an increase in the number of people who are facing mental health challenges. We are also seeing rising addiction and deaths from hard drugs, which the Liberals pushed to legalize at all costs. It is a disgrace. Our big cities now look like places where zombies come to die. There are even neighbourhoods where no one dares go anymore. What can we say about schools and day cares with injection sites as neighbours, keeping parents awake at night? As they say in Quebec, you have to be tough to live in this reality. For many, that refers to the chaos and decline they are experiencing under this Prime Minister. Not so long ago, it could be said that any problem could be dealt with through policy. That was before the Liberal–NDP-Bloc Québécois coalition. We are powerless to stop these irresponsible budgets, which are populist in the worst sense of the word. They do not correspond to the reality that all responsible, well trained economists recognize. No one in their right mind would deny that Canadians of every social class are paying far too much in taxes because this Liberal government is wasting too much money. Any right-minded individual suffering day after day is looking forward to the upcoming elections to get the country back on track and show this government the door. The Liberals think they have a license to print money. Good times or bad, they never stop. Taxpayers pick up the tab in the form of a higher cost of living. They do not even benefit from higher-quality services. On the contrary, these services have greatly deteriorated since 2015. The 2024 budget is a continuation of the Liberals' horrendous record. This is a government addicted to tax increases and inflationary deficits. That is why I will vote against this budget, in honour of those who work hard for their money and who know how to count. I would like to reassure voters that there is hope. Only one year, at the very most, remains of this Liberal-NDP-Bloc Québécois nightmare. Common-sense Conservatives will axe the carbon tax and lower prices on the staples Canadians need. This is not the sort of budget Canadians need in these difficult times. What they need is elections as soon as possible to axe the taxes, build the homes, fix the budget and stop the crime.
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Mr. Ryan Turnbull (Parliamentary Secretary to the Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance and to the Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, Lib.)
  • Jun/11/24 11:35:49 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I always am amazed at the passion the member puts into his oration in the House. Daily in the House, the Conservatives cite food bank lineups as being an issue they care about. However, when it comes to supporting children, when it comes to feeding hungry children, and I note Breakfast Club of Canada is very popular in Quebec and does a great deal of work supporting breakfast programs in that province, could the member opposite speak to why the Conservatives have said they would vote against a budget that would feed 400,000 more kids per year and would commit to $1 billion over five years to lift up kids and ensure they get a healthy start every day? Could he speak to why he would stand in the House and vote against that?
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Mr. Jacques Gourde
  • Jun/11/24 11:36:56 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, look at what nine years of Liberal policies have brought us: We are at the point where we have to feed kids breakfast at school. Before 2015, when the Conservatives formed the government, we were helping third-world countries feed their children. Now we have to do the same thing in Canada. It is time for an election.
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Mr. Luc Thériault (Montcalm, BQ)
  • Jun/11/24 11:37:20 a.m.
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He is laying it on a bit thick, Madam Speaker. I do not have enough time to go over and correct my colleague's remarks. Everyone is to blame but them. Basically, he is promoting single-party rule, a return to totalitarianism. His conception of democracy is that Canada would be better off if all 338 seats went to the Conservatives. I would like to know why my colleague always votes against the Bloc Québécois's proposals aimed at doing away with tax havens. He said that Canadians of every social class are paying too much in taxes. Canada's big banks have tax shelters and make billions in profits each quarter. Why does he vote against that? Why does he vote in favour of oil companies continuing to receive tax subsidies despite making billions of dollars a year? Is that his vision of equity across social classes?
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Mr. Jacques Gourde
  • Jun/11/24 11:38:21 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I will address the first premise of the question posed by my colleague, whom I thank. Yes, the greater the number of Conservative members, the better off Canada will be. I in turn have a question for my colleague: why did the Bloc Québécois vote in favour of $500 billion in budget appropriations to prop up this government and its reckless spending over nine years? The Bloc Québécois is part of the problem.
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Mr. Peter Julian (New Westminster—Burnaby, NDP)
  • Jun/11/24 11:38:56 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, I do like my colleague, but we lived through the Harper regime. More Conservative members means more hardship for all Canadians. We have seen the Conservatives block dental care, despite the fact that hundreds of people in Lévis-Lotbinière are already benefiting from the NDP program. The Conservatives also wanted to block pharmacare. Today we have these foolish amendments moved by the Conservatives, who are blocking measures to ensure affordable housing, food for children, student loan forgiveness and the tax credit for volunteer firefighters. I have a very simple question: Why are the Conservative members constantly blocking everything that could help Canadians?
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Mr. Jacques Gourde
  • Jun/11/24 11:39:52 a.m.
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Madam Speaker, let me get back to the question posed by my colleague, who has my thanks. I will talk about real hardship, hardship in which the NDP is complicit because it is supporting the Liberals. Thousands of Canadian families are struggling to put food on the table because their mortgage payments are too high. They are paying far too much for everything, including their mortgage, gas and food. We have come to this point because the NDP always supports the government. I hope that the NDP will stop supporting this government as soon as possible so that Canadians can have a real choice, that being a new Conservative government.
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