Hon. Senators: Question.

Hon. Marc Gold (Government Representative in the Senate): Thank you for the question. I have no information about his intentions. I will inquire with the government and return with an answer shortly.

Some Hon. Senators: No.

The Hon. the Speaker: It was moved by the Honourable Senator Gagné, seconded by the Honourable Senator LaBoucane-Benson, that the bill be read a third time. If you’re opposed to the motion, please say “no.”

Senator Omidvar: Senator Housakos, I was reflecting on your exchange with Senator Carignan about the Queen. I’m not quite sure what relevance the Queen has to this debate. But it did remind me of someone who was a queen in our midst, and that was Senator Forest-Niesing. As we all know, she passed away suddenly and tragically from COVID, and that was a particular circumstance.

We don’t know who else here may have an underlying medical condition because medical information is private. We’re mostly a senior citizen group. And it is also more likely — and the science bears me out — that older people will have greater affinity for catching a virus, even after they have been vaccinated.

So I ask you, Senator Housakos, in light of the fact that there are many of us in the Senate — and this is not reflecting on the age of the Senate staff, all the pages and the security services, it’s reflecting just on us — would you not think that it is wiser and safer to meet in hybrid mode so that the tragic incident that we experienced in the Senate at the passing of Senator Forest-Niesing does not occur again?

Some Hon. Senators: Hear, hear.

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The Hon. the Speaker: The time for Question Period is expired.

Some Hon. Senators: Agreed.

Hon. Marc Gold (Government Representative in the Senate) moved:

That:

(a)pursuant to subsection 5(1) of An Act to amend the Criminal Code (medical assistance in dying), S.C. 2021, c. 2, a Special Joint Committee of the Senate and the House of Commons be appointed to review the provisions of the Criminal Code relating to medical assistance in dying and their application, including but not limited to issues relating to mature minors, advance requests, mental illness, the state of palliative care in Canada and the protection of Canadians with disabilities;

(b)pursuant to subsection 5(2) of the act, the committee be composed of five members of the Senate, including one senator from the Opposition, two senators from the Independent Senators Group, one senator from the Progressive Senate Group, and one senator from the Canadian Senators Group, and ten members of the House of Commons, with two chairs, of whom the Senate chair shall be from the Opposition and the House chair shall be from the governing party;

(c)in addition to the chairs, there be one deputy chair from the Senate, from the Independent Senators Group and three vice-chairs from the House;

(d)the five senators to be members of the committee be named by means of a notice signed by their respective leader or facilitator, or their respective designates, and filed with the Clerk of the Senate no later than 5:00 p.m. on the day after this motion is adopted, failing which, the leader or facilitator, and, in the case of the Independent Senators Group, the deputy facilitator if appropriate, of any party or group identified in paragraph (b) that has not filed the name of a senator with the Clerk of the Senate, shall be deemed to be named to the committee, with the names of the senators named as members being recorded in the Journals of the Senate;

(e)pursuant to subsection 5(3) of the act, the quorum of the committee be eight members whenever a vote, resolution or other decision is taken, so long as both houses are represented and that one member from the Senate, one member of the governing party in the House, and one member from the opposition in the House are present and that the chairs be authorized to hold meetings, to receive evidence and authorize the publication thereof, whenever six members are present, so long as both houses are represented and that one member of the Senate, one member of the governing party in the House and one member from the opposition in the House are present;

(f)for greater certainty, changes to the membership of the committee on the part of the Senate be made in accordance with rule 12-5;

(g)until Thursday, June 23, 2022:

(i)where applicable, the provisions contained in paragraphs (a), (b) and (c) of the order adopted by the Senate on February 10, 2022, respecting the participation of senators in hybrid meetings of standing joint committees, shall apply to senators on this committee; and

(ii)senators, members and departmental and parliamentary officials appearing as witnesses before the committee may do so in person, as may any witness invited to appear before the committee;

(h)the committee have the power to:

(i)meet during sittings and adjournments of the Senate;

(ii)report from time to time, to send for persons, papers and records, and to publish such papers and evidence as may be ordered by the committee;

(iii)retain the services of expert, professional, technical and clerical staff, including legal counsel; and

(iv)authorize video and audio broadcasting of any or all of its public proceedings and to make them available to the public via the Parliament of Canada’s websites;

(i)a report of the committee may be deposited with the Clerk of the Senate at any time the Senate stands adjourned, and that any report so deposited may be deposited electronically, with the report being deemed to have been presented or tabled in the Senate;

(j)pursuant to subsection 5(5) of the act, the committee submit a final report of its review, including a statement of any recommended changes, to Parliament no later than June 23, 2022; and

(k)pursuant to subsection 5(6) of the act, following the tabling of the final report in both houses, the committee shall expire; and

That a message be sent to the House of Commons to acquaint that house accordingly.

Hon. Dennis Glen Patterson: Honourable senators, I rise today to speak to Motion No. 14, Senator Kutcher’s motion regarding further study of the federal government’s Federal Framework for Suicide Prevention.

While I applaud the intent, I do have concerns with about this motion. Suicide is a very important issue, but I am wary of yet another study. My constituents in Nunavut, who are dealing with suicide and its impacts every day, need action instead of more studies. We now face a plethora of strategies: the Federal Framework for Suicide Prevention, the National Inuit Suicide Prevention Strategy, the First Nations Mental Wellness Continuum Framework, Changing Directions, Changing Lives: The Mental Health Strategy for Canada, and so forth. Many of these frameworks, strategies and studies are designed by southern non-Inuit.

The actions that my constituents in Nunavut need include multi-year, flexible federal funding and a whole-of-government approach. I would rather hear more about the specifics of what they need so that we know exactly what to push the government for. It removes the subjective markers of what is counted as progress and what isn’t. Instead, the question is: Did you deliver the funding or the programs that people are clamouring for?

I wish to thank the Senate for allowing me to speak to my constituents in their first language, no doubt haltingly. I will now speak in Inuktitut. There is an interpreter here. I thank the Senate for arranging that.

[Editor’s Note: Senator Patterson spoke in Inuktitut — translation follows.]

I will be speaking to what is being done in Nunavut. We don’t just want more studies. We want our knowledge. We have lost our own loved ones to suicide, and some people whom we know. This has been happening for a long time now. There are many people from Nunavut who have experienced suicide. There are many reasons why people commit suicide, and I, along with all the people of Nunavut, am affected negatively when a suicide happens.

People have come to me and asked for help to prevent more suicides. There are many reasons behind a suicide, but we do not really know what triggers a suicide. One of the many reasons is trauma. Other reasons are residential schools, the relocation of people, the massacre of dogs, tuberculosis and other things such as mental illness and the banning of the seal skins by people such as Greenpeace. These have greatly affected the lives of Inuit. Those are just some of the reasons. Another factor is a lack of housing and other major gaps in the quality of living that we endure daily.

Since the root cause of most suicides among Inuit is trauma, the best programs to deal with the loss, anger and harm it causes to Inuit are programs led by Inuit.

The Inuit should be involved in administering programs or delivering programs based on their knowledge, based on Inuit knowledge, because they know their land and their environment best.

Longtime northerners know what those programs should be because we have heard the decades of discussions and read many studies that all say the same thing. Nunavummiut need programs that help them learn cultural skills and get them back on the land. They need supports to continue learning vital cultural skills, like sewing, sealskin preparation and hunting. They need to learn about the manufacture and maintenance of hunting equipment.

They need to learn cultural skills, a large part of their culture and hunting skills. These are the skills that sustain the lives of Inuit and have sustained the lives of Inuit, for they are survival skills. While this may not seem connected to suicide prevention, it is important to know that all these skills are ennobling and uplifting. A deeper connection to one’s culture gives strength and stability. Trades and hobbies give purpose, as opposed to folks seeking to fill the void with drugs and alcohol.

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Additionally, high unemployment and overcrowded housing means that people are simply surviving instead of living. If we’re able to tackle these issues, it gives people space to then focus on healing and wellness. Programs must be delivered in Inuktitut so that people can speak with their hearts as opposed to trying to explain complex feelings and thoughts across a language and cultural barrier.

Training and involving Inuit in the delivery of these programs is necessary. When you are at rock bottom, you need people who will provide support and walk with you, guiding you along the way. When you’re disconnected, it can be quite confusing. We need people there in communities and available 24/7. We need to acknowledge that our elders are our knowledge keepers and they know what community members are experiencing. Our 25 communities hold people who can do this work with training and support.

I will close in Inuktitut with some comments from an elder.

[Editor’s Note: Senator Patterson spoke in Inuktitut — interpretation follows.]

An elder has said to me that we need to start using our cultural perspectives again to help prevent more suicides. We need to stand on what we know as Inuit, to stand up again.

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So when we call on our Social Affairs, Science and Technology Committee to study a subject as important as preventing soul-destroying suicide, I think we need to keep in mind that the review of programs and initiatives must include a Northern Canadian lens and may need to be expanded to other programs and initiatives that southerners may not classify as related but that Inuit would certainly view as integral to fighting the suicide epidemic we face in the North.

I would close by flagging that what Senator Kutcher has proposed is a thorough, academic fact-based study of the federal approach to suicide prevention and review of 20 years’ worth of programs. At least that’s how I see it. If followed to the letter, however, it would take up a significant amount of time in a committee that, like all committees, currently meets only once a week and will likely be bogged down with legislation in the foreseeable future. I would caution against spending an inordinate amount of time studying something that people need action on now.

In Nunavut, we cannot wait for more recommendations. Every year without action is another year of lost lives and pain. Qujannamiik. Taima.

(On motion of Senator Brazeau, debate adjourned.)

(At 7:08 p.m., pursuant to the order adopted by the Senate on March 31, 2022, the Senate adjourned until Tuesday, April 5, 2022, at 2 p.m.)

The Hon. the Speaker: Is leave granted, honourable senators?

Hon. Marc Gold (Government Representative in the Senate) introduced Bill S-7, An Act to amend the Customs Act and the Preclearance Act, 2016.

(Bill read first time.)

Hon. Marc Gold (Government Representative in the Senate): I thank the senator for his question.

The government is extremely concerned about the current humanitarian situation in Ukraine and neighbouring countries. I have been told that Canada is providing financial assistance to organizations such as the Red Cross, which is sending key equipment and trained staff to deliver aid, in particular to people with illnesses, as quickly and efficiently as possible.

The government is a strong supporter of AIDS programs around the world. I will point out that it provided $930.4 million from 2020 to 2022 to support the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria and $20 billion in base funding to UNAIDS from 2017 to 2022.

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Hon. Marc Gold (Government Representative in the Senate): I thank the honourable senator for his question.

Transparency in our courts is a fundamental principle of our justice system, as you rightly pointed out.

I’m told that the minister is aware of the media reports on this trial, which was held in Quebec, and that he finds it deeply troubling. Court orders prevent me from commenting further. I was, however, informed that the minister has spoken with the Director of Public Prosecutions to shed some light on what has been reported.

Senator Gold: I will have to ask the government and get back to you with an answer.

Hon. Pierre-Hugues Boisvenu: Honourable senators, my question is for Senator Gold.

Canada contributes barely 1.2% of its budget to NATO, but the target is 2%.

Recently, Minister Joly travelled to Europe to meet with her NATO member nation counterparts and negotiate the Government of Canada’s contribution to NATO.

Can you confirm for everyone here that, instead of upping our contribution to 2%, the minister’s offer to NATO was for Canada to accept 10% of the Ukrainian refugees, or 400,000 refugees?

Was that deal the result of a Liberal-NDP agreement to avoid contributing to Canada’s military effort?

Hon. Marc Gold (Government Representative in the Senate): Again, I will simply say that we will have to await the budget to know exactly what measures the government is taking going forward, including the measures to continue to assist Canadians through this difficult economic time.

The Prime Minister has made it clear — the government has made it clear — that the carbon tax will remain in place. Those provinces who, in their own wisdom, have decided not to have measures in place that are equivalent and therefore are subject to the carbon tax — as you know, in our home province and many others, the change tomorrow will have no effect because of the decisions that the Quebec government and others have taken to do their part to reduce the impact of carbon emissions on our climate. In that regard, the Government of Canada remains committed to its strategy to address climate change through the most effective, efficient and market-sensitive mechanisms.

Hon. Leo Housakos (Acting Leader of the Opposition): Honourable senators, my question is for the government leader in the Senate. Tomorrow, April 1, Canadians across several provinces will pay more for the Prime Minister of Canada’s carbon tax. Canadians will also pay more through the alcohol escalator tax. As I have mentioned many times in this place, this is on top of taxes that were already raised on the first of January, including the Canada Pension Plan payroll tax. The Employment Insurance maximum insurable earnings also increased on January 1, meaning workers and employers pay more right across this country.

The NDP-Liberal government has been given opportunities lately to make life easier for Canadians, but they choose not to. For example, the opposition in the other place asked to suspend the GST on fuel or to suspend the carbon tax. Government leader, it’s becoming excessively harder for middle class and poor Canadians to pay for groceries, shelter, fuel for their cars to drive their kids to and from school and pay for medication.

The question is very simple: How much more do you think the Canadian public can pay for the NDP-Liberal coalition, and how much more will they be asked to pay in next week’s budget because of that coalition?

Hon. Raymonde Gagné (Legislative Deputy to the Government Representative in the Senate): Honourable senators, pursuant to rule 4-13(3), I would like to inform the Senate that as we proceed with Government Business, the Senate will address the items in the following order: third reading of Bills C-15 and C-16, followed by Motion No. 28, followed by second reading of Bill S-4, followed by consideration of the message from the House of Commons, followed by all remaining items in the order that they appear on the Order Paper.

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On the Order:

Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Gagné, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gold, P.C., for the third reading of Bill C-15, An Act for granting to Her Majesty certain sums of money for the federal public administration for the fiscal year ending March 31, 2022.