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House Hansard - 75

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 19, 2022 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 75 - May/19/22
Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:08:00 p.m.
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Madam Chair, this is the most significant investment in 30 years, and $19 billion is a lot of money to spend for Canadians.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:08:06 p.m.
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Madam Chair, for $19 billion, we would hope that we would at least know what the block number, model or type we would be getting of the F-35. What is the expected 30-year cost to purchase, operate and maintain the combatants—
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The Deputy Chair
  • May/19/22 8:08:18 p.m.
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The hon. minister.
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:08:22 p.m.
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Madam Chair, again, it is in negotiations.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:08:27 p.m.
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Madam Chair, it is generally a two to three to one cost ratio to operate and maintain. The PBO said it is about $70 billion for the purchase, which leads to almost a quarter trillion dollars for the maintenance and operation over a lifespan. Does the minister agree?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:08:46 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the project budget is $56 billion to $60 billion. That is an estimate without taxes.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:08:53 p.m.
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Madam Chair, when does the government expect to sign a contract with Irving Shipbuilding to begin construction of the surface combatants?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:09:01 p.m.
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Madam Chair, that is still in the design phase.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:09:05 p.m.
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Madam Chair, when is the first ship expected to be delivered?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:09:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, we are working out the exact dates and details.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:09:14 p.m.
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Madam Chair, that is funny, because in a previous OGGO meeting, years ago, we were actually given a date, and now it is being decided. An Order Paper delivered by the government stated that the costs for the Coast Guard AOPS would be $750 million per ship. Irving Shipbuilding testified just last week it would be considerably less. Who is telling the truth?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:09:35 p.m.
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Madam Chair, as I have said before, we continue to monitor these contracts, and we will share the specifics and details once the contracts are signed and commitments have been made.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:09:46 p.m.
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Madam Chair, how can the government state $750 million publicly on an Order Paper question when the shipyard is saying less? Now we are hearing that the government does not know the exact number and cannot release that information.
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:10:00 p.m.
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Madam Chair, this is an estimated budget, and we are going to continue to work. We will be open and transparent with respect to numbers when they are confirmed.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:10:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, at no point in the Order Paper does it say it is an estimated cost. It says the cost provided by the government. Irving, the shipbuilder, says it is considerably less. Again, who is telling the truth?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:10:21 p.m.
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Madam Chair, again, this is estimated at this point. When it is confirmed, we will share those numbers.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:10:27 p.m.
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Madam Chair, has the contract been signed for the two AOPS for the Coast Guard?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:10:32 p.m.
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Madam Chair, no contract has been signed.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:10:37 p.m.
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Madam Chair, PSPC 2019-2020 achieved just 58% of their planned targets, yet the executives were paid out over $8 million in bonuses. Last year, PSPC failed to achieve over one-third of their targets, as noted in their departmental plans. Would the minister confirm she will not be approving executive bonuses for such failure?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:11:01 p.m.
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Madam Chair, my understanding is that bonuses are being paid based on the terms of their contract agreements.
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