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House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 30, 2022 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22
Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:36:48 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, there is a value to the information that comes from fishers. There is a value to the perspective that comes from people who have the environment as their priority, also.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:37:04 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, in the minister's first appearance at the fisheries committee, the minister referenced unbiased science. Is science provided by ENGOs biased or unbiased?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:37:17 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, science is a method and people who appropriately apply that method to gather and analyze data and check it through peer review do science. What can I say? Some—
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:37:35 p.m.
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The hon. member.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:37:37 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I guess there is just one science. It is all objective. That is wonderful. If the minister were a fish harvester, and her livelihood and investment were at the mercy of ENGOs with agendas to end commercial fishing, can she tell us how she would feel?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:37:54 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, my goal is to grow the fish and seafood sector. To do that, we need to have abundance in the stocks. Therefore, the conservation steps that we take are for—
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:38:10 p.m.
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The hon. member.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:38:14 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the people in the fishing industry feel that they are left in the dark in Newfoundland and Labrador when it comes to proposed MPAs. Weeks ago, I asked for a map of proposed new MPAs, and I am still waiting for it. Why is the minister's department not being transparent about its plans for MPAs?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:38:31 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the department officials are consulting widely on their plans for MPAs on all three coasts.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:38:41 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the “30 by 30” MPA policy is DFO's goal to protect all aspects of biodiversity within those MPAs: yes or no?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:38:51 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, there is not a yes-or-no answer because these are consultative activities. There are four key industrial usages that are not permitted, but otherwise it is about consulting with local people.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:39:10 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, pinnipeds consume 24 times more fish than are caught by harvesters in Atlantic Canada each year. What is the plan to keep those MPAs from becoming buffets for seals?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:39:24 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, we have a seal summit, which I have announced for the fall. I am happy to entertain that question at the seal summit. I will invite you right here and now.
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The Chair
  • May/30/22 10:39:35 p.m.
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The word “you” is being used. The hon. member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:39:45 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I appreciate the minister's gracious invitation. Does the minister know how much more productive Norway's oceans are than ours?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:39:59 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I do not know that there is a metric for ocean productivity. It is my job to have our oceans be as productive, diverse and healthy as possible.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:40:12 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, Norway's oceans are 7.5 times more productive than ours and it might have something to do with its much lower pinniped populations. Recently, the minister admitted seals eat fish. Does the minister know how much capelin that harp seals alone consume in Atlantic Canada each year?
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:40:34 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I assume it is a lot.
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Mr. Clifford Small
  • May/30/22 10:40:41 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, based on DFO estimates, the answer is four billion pounds per year. The fishing industry wants to know why time and money is be wasted on another seal study and a seal summit, instead of working to remove trade barriers with the EU and the U.S.
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Hon. Joyce Murray
  • May/30/22 10:40:58 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, having brought together experts in the seal science task force report, we now have a report that allows us to consider eight different recommendations. We have already announced we are acting on two of them. I look forward to exploring it further.
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