House Hansard - 77

44th Parl. 1st Sess.

May 30, 2022 11:00AM

Context: House Hansard - 77 - May/30/22

Hon. Joyce Murray

May/30/22 10:38:31 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the department officials are consulting widely on their plans for MPAs on all three coasts.

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Mr. Clifford Small

May/30/22 10:38:41 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, the “30 by 30” MPA policy is DFO's goal to protect all aspects of biodiversity within those MPAs: yes or no?

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Hon. Joyce Murray

May/30/22 10:38:51 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, there is not a yes-or-no answer because these are consultative activities. There are four key industrial usages that are not permitted, but otherwise it is about consulting with local people.

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Mr. Clifford Small

May/30/22 10:39:10 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, pinnipeds consume 24 times more fish than are caught by harvesters in Atlantic Canada each year. What is the plan to keep those MPAs from becoming buffets for seals?

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Hon. Joyce Murray

May/30/22 10:39:24 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, we have a seal summit, which I have announced for the fall. I am happy to entertain that question at the seal summit. I will invite you right here and now.

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The Chair

May/30/22 10:39:35 p.m.
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The word “you” is being used. The hon. member for Coast of Bays—Central—Notre Dame.

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Mr. Clifford Small

May/30/22 10:39:45 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I appreciate the minister's gracious invitation. Does the minister know how much more productive Norway's oceans are than ours?

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Hon. Joyce Murray

May/30/22 10:39:59 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I do not know that there is a metric for ocean productivity. It is my job to have our oceans be as productive, diverse and healthy as possible.

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Mr. Clifford Small

May/30/22 10:40:12 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, Norway's oceans are 7.5 times more productive than ours and it might have something to do with its much lower pinniped populations. Recently, the minister admitted seals eat fish. Does the minister know how much capelin that harp seals alone consume in Atlantic Canada each year?

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Hon. Joyce Murray

May/30/22 10:40:34 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, I assume it is a lot.

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Mr. Clifford Small

May/30/22 10:40:41 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, based on DFO estimates, the answer is four billion pounds per year. The fishing industry wants to know why time and money is be wasted on another seal study and a seal summit, instead of working to remove trade barriers with the EU and the U.S.

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Hon. Joyce Murray

May/30/22 10:40:58 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, having brought together experts in the seal science task force report, we now have a report that allows us to consider eight different recommendations. We have already announced we are acting on two of them. I look forward to exploring it further.

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Mr. Clifford Small

May/30/22 10:41:17 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, so we have cut all quotas of fish in Canada to very low levels and ended many fisheries. Pinniped populations are five to 15 times higher than historic levels. With the reduction of pinniped numbers, can fish stocks recover?

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Hon. Joyce Murray

May/30/22 10:41:34 p.m.
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Mr. Chair, stocks can recover if we are managing them carefully and with conservation in mind. At the same time, we will be exploring the intersection between seals and the fish that they eat.

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