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House Hansard - 192

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 8, 2023 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 192 - May/8/23
The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/8/23 7:39:52 p.m.
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I did not catch that, but I am sure the hon. member caught himself. I would ask him to please be careful not to mention whether someone is or is not in the House. The hon. member for Elmwood—Transcona could please wrap it up.
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Mr. Daniel Blaikie
  • May/8/23 7:40:05 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I apologize for the error. It was an absent-minded error and was not intentional. However, it was an important announcement that the government tried to make from a point of order after question period, which it could very well have made during question period if it wanted to take some of the political gamesmanship out of it. I would ask the member why it was that the government made that decision around the timing of that announcement.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • May/8/23 7:40:29 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I do not necessarily want to indicate that I fully understand the timing and the way in which things ultimately unfolded. However, I would like to pick up on the member's comments in regard to the public inquiry. At the end of the day, I believe that we have an incredible individual, who was an appointment by Stephen Harper as the Governor General of Canada, an individual of impeccable credentials, who has now been assigned the task, as special rapporteur, of looking into the whole issue of foreign interference, influence and so on, and coming back with a report. I think everyone in the House has had the opportunity to express their thoughts about the public inquiry. The commitment from the Prime Minister is that, if the report comes back with that recommendation, a public inquiry will, in fact, be taking place. I would not underestimate the impact that the NDP has had on the issue.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons (Senate), Lib.)
  • May/8/23 7:41:31 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-22 
Madam Speaker, let us just recap for a second. In 2013, the Conservatives and the former democratic reform minister, the member for Carleton and Leader of the Opposition, received a report from CSIS saying that election interference was real and was going to continue. He did nothing for two years and literally sat on the report. Later on, in 2017, after we came into government, we introduced Bill C-76, which limited funding from foreign actors. The Conservatives voted against it. We introduced Bill C-22 shortly before that, to create NSICOP. Conservatives would not even let it go to committee. They voted against it after the first or second reading. I am wondering how the Conservatives can actually stand here and try to claim that they have any credibility on the issue of foreign interference, when they did nothing and routinely voted against every measure that we brought forward.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • May/8/23 7:42:31 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think the member is sharing a little bit of the frustration of when we look across and see the leader of the official opposition, the Conservative Party, on this particular issue, given the fact that foreign interference and influence have been taking place for many years. Even when the leader of the Conservative Party was the minister responsible for the issue, he, let alone the prime minister at the time, chose to do nothing. That is what I mean about throwing rocks in glass houses and looking in a mirror before they make some of the statements they make inside the House. At the end of the day, we should try to wind things down in terms of the politicization we have witnessed over the last little while on this issue and resolve it.
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Hon. Mike Lake (Edmonton—Wetaskiwin, CPC)
  • May/8/23 7:43:32 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, it takes a stunning level of audacity for the member to give a lecture to the House on politicization and throwing stones in glass houses. On Thursday, he and his friend from Kingston and the Islands undertook a blatant strategy to discredit the member for Wellington—Halton Hills, in order to defend their incompetent government—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/8/23 7:43:54 p.m.
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On a point of order, the hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader. I want to remind the member that we went through this a while ago, so I want him to be judicious with what he is going to say.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • May/8/23 7:44:03 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on that point of order, I apologize if I was not here at the time, but on Thursday, after question period, I rose to clarify my comment and apologize, not only to that member but also to all members of the House and to the Speaker. I would, therefore, appreciate the member's withdrawing his characterization of me at this time.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/8/23 7:44:18 p.m.
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The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • May/8/23 7:44:21 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on that point of order, I did not actually reference any comments that the member made— Mr. Mark Gerretsen: He said “Kingston and the Islands.”
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/8/23 7:44:46 p.m.
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This is becoming a point of debate again. I would ask the parliamentary secretary to wait until I am finished. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • May/8/23 7:44:55 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, he did withdraw two words that I am not referencing at this point in time, but the entire strategy that they undertook is what I am taking issue with right now.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/8/23 7:45:05 p.m.
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This is all becoming a point of debate. I know the hon. member for Elmwood—Transcona also was rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Daniel Blaikie
  • May/8/23 7:45:13 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on a separate point of order, I noticed that, in his remarks, the member for Kingston and the Islands made reference to his presence or absence in the House, and seeing as he is a member of the House, I think he may—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/8/23 7:45:29 p.m.
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We can mention that we are in the House, but we should not mention who was not in the House. We are going straight to the question at hand. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • May/8/23 7:45:45 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I will note that, through the course of the debate, both of those members had to step back from the incorrect remarks that they made. We have a chance today—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/8/23 7:45:53 p.m.
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Again, I would ask the hon. member to ask his question. I have looked at Hansard, and from what I can see, it is all in the interpretation. The discussion being had right now is all on debate. The hon. parliamentary secretary.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • May/8/23 7:46:15 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I unreservedly apologized, and I clarified what my intent was. Anything else the member is trying to suggest is just factually inaccurate and actually goes to my integrity as a member, by his continuing to say this after I apologized.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)
  • May/8/23 7:46:33 p.m.
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If this continues, I am just going to end the debate, because we are going to run out of time. The hon. member for Edmonton—Wetaskiwin.
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Hon. Mike Lake
  • May/8/23 7:46:43 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, we have a chance tonight, at the end of this debate, to right that wrong. Will the member support the motion to have PROC study this point of privilege from the member for Wellington—Halton Hills?
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