44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 20, 2023 10:00AM
- Jun/20/23 11:15:07 a.m.
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I just want to remind members not to be heckling or trying to yell out answers or questions while others have the floor.
The hon. minister.
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- Jun/20/23 11:28:15 a.m.
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Order, please. I want to remind the hon. member for Lethbridge that she had an opportunity to ask a question. Whether she likes the response or not, she should not be heckling or trying to ask other questions.
The hon. minister.
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- Jun/20/23 1:58:47 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on the same point of order.
I was able to witness the whole process, in terms of what had taken place. There was no “heated exchange” between the two members; the minister was giving a response to a question, and he was constantly being heckled.
The Speaker at the time gave not one or two, but several warnings. They were not warnings about unparliamentary language; they were because the member continued to heckle, and she was warned to stop heckling. The unparliamentary language was only one part of it. She was actually told that if she did not stop heckling, then she would not be recognized.
It had nothing to do with the unparliamentary language. In fact, while the Speaker was making that ruling, I focused my attention on the member for Lethbridge, who did not stop talking. Reflecting on what took place, I do not think what the opposition whip has put on the record is fully accurate.
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- Jun/20/23 2:00:17 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I will speak to this now. In fact, when the Speaker thought the member was heckling and asked her to stop, she did not continue to do so. She was speaking to a colleague. However, when we consider the outrageous interruptions that came from the member who just spoke and the member for Kingston and the Islands during our leader's four-hour speech recently, when they would not allow him to even get through what he had to say minute to minute, we are talking about the acceptance of an apology that was given when demanded. It was accepted that the language that was spoken had been unparliamentary, and the apology was given. It is not consistent ruling for the member for Lethbridge to be told she cannot participate in debates afterward.
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- Jun/20/23 6:40:30 p.m.
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I have already called out the member once today. I do not think she wants me to call her out again about the heckling.
I want to remind the hon. member for Winnipeg Centre that she should address all questions and comments through the Chair and not directly to the member.
The hon. member for Winnipeg Centre.
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- Jun/20/23 7:24:17 p.m.
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There is some heckling going on, and I ask members not to heckle while the hon. member is asking the question. I am sure the hon. member who is going to answer wants to hear the whole question.
The hon. member for Hamilton Centre has the floor.
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- Jun/20/23 7:26:17 p.m.
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The member knows full well I am not censoring the member and that there was a ruling. I am sure the member does not believe, when there is a ruling from the Speaker and the Speaker has asked several times for a member to stop heckling and the member does not cease to heckle, that we should be accepting this. There was a ruling made earlier today that the member would not be recognized for one day and the ruling stands.
The hon. member for Saanich—Gulf Islands, a brief question, please.
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- Jun/20/23 7:30:15 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on the same point of order, I would point out that in the House of Commons Procedure and Practice, it says that “The Speaker usually turns a blind eye to the many incidental interruptions, such as applause, shouts of approval or disapproval, or heckling that sometimes punctuates speeches”.
I would encourage all members to refer to the guide on procedures for the House of Commons before they get up and make comments about whether or not heckling is allowed.
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- Jun/20/23 7:30:48 p.m.
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I think that now it is becoming a point of debate. However, I do want to remind members that, unless they are being recognized, they should not be speaking out of turn. I would ask the hon. member for Lethbridge that she not participate at this point.
I appreciate the additional information that the hon. member for South Shore—St. Margarets has provided. However, there is a difference between heckling a little bit and heckling constantly, especially after being asked on several occasions to stop heckling and after being told what repercussions would come forward if the heckling did not stop. That is it for this year. Hopefully, members will not continue to challenge the Chair on this.
The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader has a point of order.
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Madam Speaker, I thank the member. I enjoy my time sitting on the fisheries committee with him. Although we disagree on almost everything, we do have many good conversations, so that is good.
First, I want to quickly express my concerns about a continuation of misinformation happening; the Speaker ruled, yet we hear the member continuing to heckle in here and other members saying that it was censorship. It is completely absurd.
The other thing is that I do not understand the attention being paid to CBC, which is the only independent broadcaster in Canada. It is not the only one, but it is the only one that does not have corporations at the forefront of its work. My question to the member is does he agree—
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Ms. Lisa Marie Barron: Madam Speaker, is it appropriate that we have a member in the House currently heckling me, who has been asked to not heckle? She is in the corner right now, heckling, despite a Speaker's having ruled that she should not be heckling in the House.
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