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House Hansard - 259

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
November 30, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 259 - Nov/30/23
Mr. Damien Kurek (Battle River—Crowfoot, CPC)
  • Nov/30/23 12:32:42 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the speech of my colleague from Calgary speaks to some of the radical shifts that are taking place in the technological landscape in our country and our world. If a government is not willing to be responsive to that, it puts not only our country at an economic disadvantage, but also at a security disadvantage. I wonder if my colleague could speak further about some of the challenges. If we are not responsive to the issues surrounding specifically AI, that puts our nation at a significant disadvantage. Right now, we are already lagging behind and if the government is unwilling to be responsive, we will simply lag further behind.
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Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner
  • Nov/30/23 12:33:28 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, there are no rules around the development of this technology. IP can be stolen. Labour can be exploited. There are no rules around the deployment. This technology is highly disruptive and could be used for things like autonomous weapons. There are no rules around that either. However, there are also potential benefits. Because our country is so far behind the rest of the world on this topic and has not engaged civil society, academia or industry in a meaningful way, or international partners, we are becoming an unstable place for investment and we are rapidly going to lose talent. The brain drain for AI is real and people are rapidly leaving our country. The government needs to rethink a bill that it developed two years before the launch of large language model technologies like ChatGPT, separate it out from the privacy bill, engage civil society, industry and academia and move forward.
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Mr. Tom Kmiec (Calgary Shepard, CPC)
  • Nov/30/23 12:34:31 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, artificial intelligence obviously depends on models and information that it scoops up off the Internet. There are two sources of information to build the AI model: low-wage workers working sometimes in deplorable conditions and also AI scanning through places like Google or DuckDuckGo or other browser engines. It hoovers up data and images. When AI picks up AI images and information, it becomes extremely brittle. I think this is an opportunity to have that type of idea implemented in legislation, to address the problem of AI-generated information and images off of AI-generated information and images. I would like the member to speak to that.
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Hon. Michelle Rempel Garner
  • Nov/30/23 12:35:20 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I think what my colleague highlights is a problem where the technology is changing so much faster than either the government's or Parliament's current ability to be nimble and flexible and move quickly. Just to reference the government deputy House leader's response, this is not a time for the typical theatrics we might see in the House. This bill needs to be split and the government needs to go back to the drawing board. We need to see movement on this immediately. I implore the House.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Nov/30/23 12:35:55 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I move: That the House do now proceed to orders of the day.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Nov/30/23 12:36:04 p.m.
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If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Mr. Tom Kmiec
  • Nov/30/23 12:36:31 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I request a recorded division.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Nov/30/23 12:36:43 p.m.
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Call in the members.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 1:20:03 p.m.
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I declare the motion carried.
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Hon. Soraya Martinez Ferrada
  • Nov/30/23 1:20:19 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I had some technical difficulties when I was trying to change my vote, and I would like to request unanimous consent to change my vote.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 1:20:28 p.m.
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Does the hon. member have unanimous consent to change her vote? Some hon. members: Agreed.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 1:21:54 p.m.
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If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair. The hon. parliamentary secretary to the government House leader.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux
  • Nov/30/23 1:21:54 p.m.
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I would request a recorded vote, please.
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Hon. Gary Anandasangaree
  • Nov/30/23 1:21:54 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-59 
moved that a ways and means motion to introduce a bill entitled An Act to implement certain provisions of the fall economic statement tabled in Parliament on November 21, 2023 and certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023, be concurred in.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 1:21:59 p.m.
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Call in the members.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 2:05:07 p.m.
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I declare the motion carried. The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Peter Julian (New Westminster—Burnaby, NDP)
  • Nov/30/23 2:05:15 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, there have been discussions among the parties, and, if you seek it, I believe you will find unanimous consent to adopt the following motion: That, notwithstanding any standing order, special order or usual practice of the House, the House do now proceed to Statements by Members followed by Oral Questions, and that the usual allotment of time be afforded for each rubric.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 2:05:45 p.m.
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All those opposed to the hon. member's moving the motion will please say nay. It is agreed. The House has heard the terms of the motion. All those opposed to the motion will please say nay.
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The Speaker
  • Nov/30/23 2:06:54 p.m.
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The hon. member for Regina—Qu'Appelle is rising on a point of order.
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Hon. Gary Anandasangaree
  • Nov/30/23 2:06:54 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-59 
moved for leave to introduce Bill C-59, an act to implement certain provisions of the fall economic statement tabled in Parliament on November 21, 2023 and certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 28, 2023.
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