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House Hansard - 260

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 1, 2023 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 260 - Dec/1/23
Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/1/23 1:02:44 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on the same point of order, we are debating the concurrence motion on a report. We are not even debating the report. We are debating whether or not the report should be concurred in. I am speaking directly to the procedure and to why I think Conservatives are using this motion right now. I am extremely relevant on my points.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:03:03 p.m.
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I would invite the member to try to refer to the relevance of the motion we are debating. The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.
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Mr. Peter Julian
  • Dec/1/23 1:03:20 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on the same point of order, as you know, with procedure and traditions in the House, when a party is blocking legislation, in this case the Conservatives are blocking the Canada-Ukraine free trade agreement with their procedural delays, it is perfectly legitimate that it be part of the debate. This refers to not only to the procedural motion blocking the Canada-Ukraine trade deal, which the Conservatives are opposing, but also, of course, the fact that they have moved this procedural motion to block the Canada-Ukraine trade deal. It is a perfectly legitimate point of debate.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:03:55 p.m.
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We are entering into debate on the point of order. I would invite the member to bring some relevance to his comments, but it is true that we are in a concurrence debate. The hon. member for Edmonton West.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • Dec/1/23 1:04:14 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, there is also the second point about the member's unparliamentary language.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:04:19 p.m.
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Yes, members should be wary of using comments that the Speaker has already judged inappropriate.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/1/23 1:04:26 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I have not said anything that is not factually true. The reality is that—
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:04:34 p.m.
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The hon. member for Edmonton West is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • Dec/1/23 1:04:37 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the Speaker ruled on this issue, and I ask that you enforce the rules of the House. It is ridiculous. This member should be ashamed that he repeatedly pushes this garbage upon the House.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:04:47 p.m.
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The hon. member was referring to certain events, and I take it that is the point the hon. member is going to raise. The hon. member for New Westminster—Burnaby.
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Mr. Peter Julian
  • Dec/1/23 1:05:03 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I just want to reiterate that it is perfectly legitimate to point out that Conservatives have now moved from opposing to now blocking the Canada-Ukraine free trade agreement.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:05:12 p.m.
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We are now getting into debate on the point of order on a concurrence motion, so we are going back to the concurrence motion at hand. The hon. member has the floor to finish his speech.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/1/23 1:05:22 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, Vladimir Putin has tried to tell Ukraine what it needs, and the world finds that to be incredibly offensive. When I sat in the trade committee earlier this week, the member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan tried to tell the rest of Canada what he believes Ukraine needs. My only point was to say that the people of Ukraine do not need either Vladimir Putin, the member for Sherwood Park—Fort Saskatchewan, or any Conservative member to tell them what they need. They are very capable of telling us what they need, and they have told us that they need the Conservatives to start supporting them because Conservatives are not supporting them. I recognize the fact that this member and many other members feel really uncomfortable about this, and I encourage him to bring it up in his caucus meeting to start talking about why they are not supporting Ukraine and why they are coming up with these red herrings to try to make up reasons for not doing so. My point is to tell members that I believe the reason Conservatives are doing this is that there are elements within their caucus that support these alt-right narratives that encourage the world to turn against Ukraine. Members do not need to take it just from me. They can take it from the Leader of the Opposition's very own supporters. I published a poll on Twitter not that long ago in which I asked, “Do you support [the Leader of the Opposition] importing MAGA politics into Canada?” Ninety-one per cent of the respondents, of over 20,000 respondents, said yes. People do not have to— Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:07:19 p.m.
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I am going to remind the hon. member that one of the rules of the House is to not cause disruption. We are having a debate on a concurrence motion. I would invite the member to bring his speech to it because I am seeing a lot of disruption in the House, and I really do not stand for it. The hon. member for Kingston and the Islands.
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Mr. Mark Gerretsen
  • Dec/1/23 1:07:34 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, where is the disruption coming from? Is the disruption coming from me pointing certain things out and people feeling uncomfortable about that? Yes, it is very possible. All I am trying to say is that I know for a fact, based on polling I have done on social media, that it is very well understood and regarded that a lot of the member for Carleton's supporters are all over my Twitter feed. They voted, and 91%, which is over 20,000 votes, said they support MAGA politics. I am not even trying to draw a loose link here. I am giving a direct result. A lot of Conservative supporters support the alt-right movement. As a result, these Conservatives do not want to put themselves in a position where they could possibly lose some of those supporters to Maxime Bernier. That is what is going on here. Everything else is a red herring. I think Canadians can see through it. I think Ukrainians can see through it. I think the Ukrainian Canadian Congress can see through it. It is becoming extremely clear to Canadians that Conservatives have turned their backs on Ukraine.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:08:52 p.m.
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Before we go to questions and comments, I will remind the hon. members of the Speaker's ruling yesterday. It stated, “Going forward, I would ask all members to stay away from such inflammatory statements and to not attempt to make such provocative associations. Neglecting to do so may result in a member being cut off by the Speaker and a withdrawal being insisted upon.” I just want to refresh everyone's minds about that so they try to stick to the subject of the discussions. The hon. member for Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo is rising on a point of order.
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Mr. Frank Caputo
  • Dec/1/23 1:09:24 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, in light of what you just said, and in light of what the member has just done, which is to speak about playing to alt-right people and the Conservative Party therefore trying to play to pro-Russian elements, I think this is completely germane to what you just raised. He should be withdrawing that statement.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:09:42 p.m.
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I just reminded everyone of what the Speaker ruled yesterday, and I would like members to keep that in mind. Continuing with questions and comments, the hon. member for King—Vaughan has the floor.
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Mrs. Anna Roberts (King—Vaughan, CPC)
  • Dec/1/23 1:09:57 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, does the member not realize, as I was raised, to not kick someone when they are down? That is exactly what the Liberal-NDP government is doing to the Ukrainian people. Some hon. members: Oh, oh! Mrs. Anna Roberts: I am speaking.
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The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès)
  • Dec/1/23 1:10:24 p.m.
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I would ask other members to allow the member to finish her thoughts. Some hon. members: Oh, oh! The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Alexandra Mendès): Order. The hon. member for King—Vaughan has the floor. She is asking a question of the member who just spoke, and I would welcome all members to be attentive to what the hon. member was asking. The hon. member for King—Vaughan.
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