44th Parl. 1st Sess.
December 4, 2023 11:00AM
- Dec/4/23 6:29:08 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I understand that we do not have the same political vision, that we do not think the same way. I understand that sometimes one might use parliamentary strategies to hold up a debate. However, there is also the manner in which things are done. That manner over the past few months has been not only questionable, but also sad and shocking.
Again today, a Conservative MP said at the beginning of the sitting that the chair of the committee misled them because he told them that when the discussions were cacophonous, that was hazardous to the health of the interpreters. What the member was saying is that they should be left to heckle in peace and not be bothered with matters of official languages. Then I remarked that I had been denied one of my privileges. When all the Conservative members shout in their microphones at the same time, there is no interpretation possible for a francophone member. That is one of the examples of the bad faith that we have seen over the past few months.
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- Dec/4/23 6:30:24 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, first of all, I would like to thank my colleague for his speech, which was very pertinent, as usual.
It is important to understand that making a just transition takes time, but it can generate money, growth, pay increases and development. It is not about impoverishment, it is about diversification. It is about enrichment. As my colleague said, it has to come with workforce training.
Last week, I met with people from the FTQ, who were talking to me about exactly that. They were telling me that workers should also benefit, not just the big companies.
I would like my colleague to tell me whether, according to the analysis of the bill that was done, there are plans to send the money for workforce training back to Quebec. In this Conservative reality show that the Standing Committee on Natural Resources has become, has anyone among the Liberal, Conservative and NDP members called for the workforce training agreements between Quebec and Canada to be upheld?
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- Dec/4/23 6:31:24 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, that is a great question.
I know that the minister received a lot of letters from all the major unions in Quebec asking him to respect the Commission des partenaires du marché du travail, established in Quebec. This Quebec labour market partners table is doing exactly what the minister hopes to do. It is consulting unions and employers to come up with training strategies. That already exists in Quebec. I think the department made a mistake to disregard that. We mentioned it to the minister and I believe he gave a good answer. He said that he was open to changing some aspects of the bill.
Now, it is very clear. I think that the consensus among all Quebec unions and employers is that this agreement must be upheld.
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- Dec/4/23 6:32:23 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I sit on the natural resources committee with my colleague. I would like to ask him for his reflections on the importance of this legislation, assuming we can get it through committee and back to the House, to workers not only in Quebec, but also across Canada, including in my riding of Cloverdale—Langley City.
We did a study for a number of months where we heard from workers, when they were not being interrupted and filibustered by Conservatives, and I think some really good testimony came in during that study. Therefore, I would appreciate my colleague's thoughtful reflections on the importance of this bill and why we need to get it done and turned into legislation.
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- Dec/4/23 6:33:05 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, as I was saying earlier, nothing is perfect.
Yes, I think it is important. I think that it is very important, because we should not be lying to people. I am sure that Albertans want us to tell them the truth.
Unfortunately, the truth is that, in the long term, there is no future in the oil and gas industry. If we know there is no future in the oil and gas industry in the long term, then we need to find a way to make sure that the people who work in industries that are in decline or going to die out because we have to reduce our carbon footprint are able to maintain a good quality of life.
I completely agree with my colleague that it is a good thing to have a well-thought-out bill that enables us to take bold action and make a just transition.
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- Dec/4/23 6:33:52 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am proud, as always, to rise on behalf of the people of Timmins—James Bay. I am not so proud that our Parliament has been forced to bring forward a motion of this nature, which is pretty much unprecedented in my years in Parliament.
We are dealing with an issue of constant harassment and toxic behaviour at the natural resources committee that is preventing parliamentarians from doing their job and we need to focus this—
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- Dec/4/23 6:34:23 p.m.
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On a point of order, the hon. member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands.
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- Dec/4/23 6:34:27 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the only member in committee who was engaged in toxic behaviour was that member. He was warned multiple times—
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- Dec/4/23 6:34:33 p.m.
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I am sorry, but this is becoming a point of debate. What is the point of order?
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- Dec/4/23 6:34:41 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, the point of order is that the only person who was engaging in toxic behaviour was that member right there. The fact that he has been subbed out of the committee for the last three meetings explains that he is the one who has been toxic. Last week, with the—
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- Dec/4/23 6:34:54 p.m.
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I am sorry, but that is not a point of order. That is a point of debate.
The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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- Dec/4/23 6:34:58 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, tonight you are seeing a tactic being used by the Conservatives to carry on the toxic behaviour of the committee to try to shut me down, but I will speak, and I would like to make sure that, every time they interrupt me or try to stop my work as a parliamentarian, I am recognized and that my time is not being taken away from me.
Right now we are dealing with a planet that is on fire. This summer, 200,000 Canadians were displaced from their homes because of an unprecedented climate catastrophe, which is unfolding in real time. Just last month, the world, for the first time, blew past the 2°C mark, which is a very dangerous zone to be in.
The Conservatives would have members believe that it is some kind of conspiracy or that this is somehow being cooked up to make Conservatives in the oil and gas sector look bad. These are the facts that Canadians are living with.
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- Dec/4/23 6:36:06 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on a point of order, I wonder if the member opposite would table some empirical data to substantiate his comments.
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- Dec/4/23 6:36:12 p.m.
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These are points of debate. I would ask hon. members to wait until it is the period for questions and comments to raise their points, which they feel are points of order, but that are actually debate.
The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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- Dec/4/23 6:36:32 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I will repeat my request. As I expect an evening of harassment, I request that the Speaker will insist that my rights are protected, so every time they stand up to do this, my time is not interrupted. I would like to make sure that is on the record.
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- Dec/4/23 6:36:47 p.m.
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With respect to the member's time, the clock is stopped when another member rises on a point of order.
The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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- Dec/4/23 6:36:53 p.m.
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Thank you, Madam Speaker. We are talking about a planet on fire in the face of—
Some hon. members: Oh, oh!
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- Dec/4/23 6:37:00 p.m.
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I would remind members that, if they want to contribute to the debate before the House, they should wait for the appropriate moment to do that.
The hon. member for Timmins—James Bay.
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- Dec/4/23 6:37:12 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, I am not surprised because the Conservatives can only push this agenda through harassment and conspiracy, so when we speak with facts, they will continue to interrupt.
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- Dec/4/23 6:37:29 p.m.
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Madam Speaker, on a point of order, the word “harassment” is a very strong word. If the member really feels that way, why does he not step out of the chamber and try using that word again? The word “harassment” is a very strong word.
I would encourage you, Madam Speaker, to look at whether that is actually being done inside this Parliament.
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