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House Hansard - 316

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 23, 2024 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 316 - May/23/24
Hon. Rob Moore
  • May/23/24 7:02:53 p.m.
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Actually, Mr. Speaker, what the minister said was that his role was to tell Canadians that it was empirically unlikely that Canada is becoming less safe. In fact, violent crime is up 39%. Now that he has been briefed, could the minister tell us how much, according to Statistics Canada, gang-related homicides have gone up since 2015, only nine years ago?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 7:03:25 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, what I can indicate to Canadians is that my job as Minister of Justice is to work to keep Canadians safe in their communities and in their homes. I understand that violent crime has gone up. That is why I am taking measures to, indeed, do exactly that. Some of the measures that I have taken include changes to the bail system and proposing different penalties and tougher penalties for things like automobile theft.
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Hon. Rob Moore
  • May/23/24 7:03:48 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, just the opposite is true. Every step the government has taken in the last nine years has made the situation worse. Can the minister tell Canadians tonight how much violent gun crime, according to Statistics Canada, has gone up since 2015?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 7:04:12 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-21 
Mr. Speaker, I am pleased that the member for Fundy Royal has decided to raise issues that relate to gun crimes, because I can indicate to Canadians watching this evening that we take gun violence very seriously. That is why we have taken steps with initiatives such as an assault rifle ban and a national ban and freeze on the sale of handguns. That was done in legislation in Bill C-21, which the member voted against.
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Hon. Rob Moore
  • May/23/24 7:04:36 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, if it was not so serious, it would be laughable. The minister is talking about steps his government has taken, but I will answer the question. Violent gun crime is up 101% since 2015 alone, when the Liberals took office. We are hearing from the minister about what he is doing, but, unfortunately, the statistics tell us that everything they are doing, every step of the way, has been to make Canadians less safe. Speaking of which, does the minister have the rate of police-reported sexual assault since 2015?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 7:05:17 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-21 
Mr. Speaker, I would indicate to the member opposite that when he and his party vote against initiatives that keep Canadians safe, I think Canadians question the sincerity of questions like the one he just put to me. Bill C-21, which I mentioned, talks about a national freeze on the sale, purchase and transfer of handguns. He voted against that. It also increased penalties for firearms trafficking. He voted against that. It also created new offences to help stop ghost guns. He voted against that. If there was sincerity on the part of the member opposite with respect to tackling the pressing issue of gun violence, I would presume the voting pattern would have been the opposite.
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Hon. Rob Moore
  • May/23/24 7:05:51 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I will answer the question. Sexual assaults are up 71% since 2015, when the Liberals took government, nine years ago. It is beyond ironic that the minister questions why Conservatives on this side would not support their agenda. Of course we do not support their agenda. We want to make Canada a safe place, where kids can play in playgrounds and parents can send their kids to school and not be worried about them. Canada is a less safe place under the government, and the minister, in his answers tonight, has shown no indication whatsoever that he is prepared to reverse course. On April 21, an individual in Victoria stole a vehicle. He was arrested by the Victoria police, taken before court and let out on bail. On April 22, the same individual stole another vehicle. The police did their job, so let us not blame the police. They arrested him, he was brought before a judge and he was let out on bail. On April 23, three days in a row, this individual was arrested for a third time for breaking into a house to steal a motor vehicle. Does the minister know where the Victoria police laid the blame for this outrageous development, that someone in Canada could be arrested three times on successive days and be let out on bail each time?
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Hon. Arif Virani
Mr. Speaker, there were a number of points in there, and I will respond to all of them. The first point would be that in respect of Canadians' safety, what I would put to him is that Bill C-21, which he voted against, also dealt with intimate partner violence and things like red flag laws. Those have now become law, no thanks to him and his party and their voting pattern. The red flag laws actually allow the police to intercept firearms from the home of someone who is deemed to be a threat to their partner or to other individuals. That is called keeping Canadians safe, so I reject outright the premise of his earlier question. With respect to bail, he will be aware that bail is a determination that is made by actors in our justice system, including justices of the peace. We have taken steps to strengthen the bail system to keep Canadians safe. On that piece, I will credit the member. He did vote in favour of Bill C-48, which deals with serious violent repeat offenders, on whom there is now a reverse onus for procuring bail. That is a step in the right direction in keeping Canadians safe.
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Hon. Rob Moore
  • May/23/24 7:08:24 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-63 
Mr. Speaker, I notice once again that I have given the minister a lot of opportunities, and he has not answered any of my questions directly. He knows the answer to this one, and he is not going to give it, so I will have to give it on his behalf. The Victoria Police Department statement says, “Bill C-75, which came into effect nationally in 2019, legislated a 'principle of restraint' that requires police to release an accused person at the earliest possible opportunity”. The police laid the blame for this individual being released three times in a row to revictimize Canadians squarely at the feet of the minister. A woman was injured in the process of one of the thefts. On the issue of the Liberals' draconian Bill C-63, which Margaret Atwood has described as “Orwellian”, has he completed a charter statement for this bill that clearly threatens the rights of Canadians?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 7:09:29 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-63 
Mr. Speaker, I find this line of questioning quite fascinating, given that the main charter issue that is at issue in Bill C-63 deals with very sensitive issues about the protection of freedom of speech, which is protected under section 2(b). What I will do is always maintain my oath under the Constitution to uphold the Constitution and people's charter rights. This individual works under a leader who has brandished the idea of using the notwithstanding clause to deprive people of their charter rights. Section 2(b) is subject to the notwithstanding clause. If we are talking about who is actually committed to protecting people's freedoms, including freedom of speech, people on that side of the House should be looking at themselves in the mirror.
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Ms. Melissa Lantsman (Thornhill, CPC)
  • May/23/24 7:10:12 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, how many cars were stolen in Canada in 2015?
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Hon. Arif Virani (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.)
  • May/23/24 7:10:21 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, what I can indicate is that auto theft is on the rise in Canada right now.
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Ms. Melissa Lantsman
  • May/23/24 7:10:28 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, does the minister know the number of cars stolen in 2015?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 7:10:35 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am aware that auto theft is on the rise in Canada as we speak.
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Ms. Melissa Lantsman
  • May/23/24 7:10:40 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I will give him one more opportunity. Does he know the number of cars stolen in 2015? It is not a difficult question.
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 7:10:53 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am aware that car theft is on the rise in Canada. That is why we are taking aggressive steps to address it, including in the fall economic statement, including in the budget and including in the national action plan to deal with auto theft, which was announced on Monday.
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Ms. Melissa Lantsman
  • May/23/24 7:11:06 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, for those watching at home who see that the minister does not want to answer questions, I will answer it for him. It is 78,849. Now, does the minister know how many cars were stolen in 2022?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 7:11:22 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the number I am being provided with from officials is 105,673.
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Ms. Melissa Lantsman
  • May/23/24 7:11:32 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, he does have answers to these questions. Can the minister tell us what percentage increase in car theft has taken place between 2015 and 2022?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 7:11:43 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am sure the member for Thornhill has a calculator and can do that calculation.
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