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House Hansard - 316

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 23, 2024 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 316 - May/23/24
Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 9:29:31 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, what I would reiterate is that the RCMP, when it makes a decision to open an investigation or conclude an investigation, which may or may not result in an act of prosecution, that is an independent decision. That is important to support in our democracy, and we will always continue to do so.
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Mr. Gérard Deltell (Louis-Saint-Laurent, CPC)
  • May/23/24 9:29:53 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I will be splitting my time with the member for Langley—Aldergrove . Two months ago, a legal saga ended when former justice Jacques Delisle admitted his guilt in the 2009 murder of his wife. Does the minister know what action his predecessor, the Hon. David Lametti, took in this case?
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Hon. Arif Virani (Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Lib.)
  • May/23/24 9:30:17 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the Delisle case in Quebec highlights the importance of changing our system regarding the way investigations are conducted following a bad conviction. That is why we must promote Bill C-40, in order to change our system and discover more cases that are at issue, such as that of Mr. Delisle.
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Mr. Gérard Deltell
  • May/23/24 9:30:44 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, what was it that led the former minister of justice, Mr. Lametti, to order another trial? Can the minister answer me?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 9:30:56 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, what I can say is that it is not up to the minister to decide the guilt or innocence of someone who—
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The Speaker
  • May/23/24 9:31:02 p.m.
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The hon. member for Louis-Saint-Laurent.
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Mr. Gérard Deltell
  • May/23/24 9:31:04 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the minister referred to a miscarriage of justice. Does the current minister respect Canada's Criminal Conviction Review Group, yes or no?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 9:31:16 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, under the current process, the minister relies on a recommendation from the Criminal Conviction Review Group. That is the system we have now.
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Mr. Gérard Deltell
  • May/23/24 9:31:38 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the Criminal Conviction Review Group did not find that any miscarriages of justice had occurred. However, Minister Lametti ordered another trial, citing a miscarriage of justice. Does the minister believe that Minister Lametti did the right thing, yes or no?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 9:31:52 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, it may be up to the minister to refer a case, but it is up to a new court to decide whether a person is guilty or not. It is not up to the minister to make the final decision. The decision—
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The Speaker
  • May/23/24 9:32:07 p.m.
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The hon. member for Louis-Saint-Laurent.
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Mr. Gérard Deltell
  • May/23/24 9:32:08 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, did Minister Lametti seek other opinions to determine whether he was going to make his decision, apart from that of the Criminal Conviction Review Group?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 9:32:17 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, with regard to the process followed, it was the existing group that was involved—
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The Speaker
  • May/23/24 9:32:26 p.m.
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The hon. member for Louis-Saint-Laurent.
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Mr. Gérard Deltell
  • May/23/24 9:32:28 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, he asked for two independent opinions. Has the minister read these opinions?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 9:32:37 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, once again, as I see it, the Delisle case underscores the importance of changing the process to look for more—
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The Speaker
  • May/23/24 9:32:44 p.m.
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The hon. member for Louis-Saint-Laurent.
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Mr. Gérard Deltell
  • May/23/24 9:32:45 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, does the current minister want the two opinions that Minister Lametti solicited to be made public, yes or no?
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Hon. Arif Virani
  • May/23/24 9:32:53 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, Mr. Delisle's situation highlights the fact that we need to change the process and avoid—
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The Speaker
  • May/23/24 9:33:03 p.m.
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The hon. member for Louis-Saint-Laurent.
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