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44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 23, 2024 10:00AM
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Mr. Speaker, it is important always to be looking at confidence in the administration of justice.
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  • May/23/24 10:36:29 p.m.
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Order. I am going to invite members, if they would like to have a conversation, to please do so outside. The hon. member for Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo has the floor to ask questions. It is important that the minister be able to hear that question and to be able to respond. The hon. member for Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo.
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  • May/23/24 10:36:51 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, does the Minister of Justice have a King's Counsel designation, yes or no?
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  • May/23/24 10:37:00 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I do not have a King's Counsel designation.
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  • May/23/24 10:37:05 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, what was the minimum sentence for robbery with a firearm prior to Bill C-5?
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  • May/23/24 10:37:16 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I believe it is governed by section 457 of the code.
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  • May/23/24 10:37:23 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-5 
Mr. Speaker, it was section 344, but what was the mandatory minimum sentence for robbery with a firearm prior to Bill C-5?
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  • May/23/24 10:37:40 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, it is four years for non-restricted or five or seven for a restricted.
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  • May/23/24 10:37:47 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-5 
Mr. Speaker, did Bill C-5 eliminate the non-restricted mandatory minimum penalty, yes or no?
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  • May/23/24 10:37:56 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-5 
Mr. Speaker, Bill C-5 dealt with a number of issues that relate to mandatory minimum penalties, including the overrepresentation of indigenous and Black people in our justice system.
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  • May/23/24 10:38:10 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, is there still a mandatory minimum penalty for robbery with a non-restricted firearm, yes or no?
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  • May/23/24 10:38:22 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned earlier in today's discussion, there remains a mandatory minimum penalty for people who are involved in a robbery with a restricted firearm, of five—
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  • May/23/24 10:38:32 p.m.
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The hon. member for Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo.
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  • May/23/24 10:38:34 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am so glad the minister clarified that there is a mandatory minimum penalty for robbing somebody with a restricted or prohibited firearm. Does the minister think that this is what goes through somebody's head? “I am going to go commit a robbery of that 7-Eleven. Wait a minute. This is a restricted or prohibited firearm. Hold off. I am not doing it.” Does the minister think that is what goes through someone's head?
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  • May/23/24 10:39:00 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, what is important to reflect on with respect to the mandatory minimum penalty discussion are the words of Ben Perrin, the former chief legal adviser to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who said, “MMPs are ineffective at reducing crime, may actually increase recidivism, are highly vulnerable to being struck down by courts as unconstitutional, can increase delays in an overburdened system and perpetuate—
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  • May/23/24 10:39:22 p.m.
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The hon. member.
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  • May/23/24 10:39:25 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, if there are drive-by shootings with no mandatory minimum penalty, are you okay with that? An hon. member: I have a point of order.
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  • May/23/24 10:39:29 p.m.
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I understand that the point of order is going to be raised but I am going to presume that the hon. member for Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo is asking a question through the Chair. We will have a very brief answer by the hon. minister.
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  • May/23/24 10:39:41 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, what I am very concerned about is the use of firearms in offences and that is why we have taken significant action on assault rifles—
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  • May/23/24 10:39:48 p.m.
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The hon. member for Regina—Qu'Appelle has five minutes.
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