44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 29, 2024 02:00PM
- May/29/24 10:29:41 p.m.
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Madam Chair, what would the minister say to parents who do not want to take their kids to parks, playgrounds or the beach for fear of exposure to dirty needles?
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- May/29/24 10:29:51 p.m.
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Madam Chair, of course this is unacceptable, and I lament the member to not stigmatize this but talk about how we save lives.
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- May/29/24 10:30:01 p.m.
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Madam Chair, does the minister agree it is important to put up warning signs on beaches for fear of exposure?
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- May/29/24 10:30:11 p.m.
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Madam Chair, it would be for local municipalities or provincial jurisdictions to determine how they want to add that as a layer of enforcement.
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- May/29/24 10:30:22 p.m.
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Madam Chair, before decriminalization was implemented in B.C., did Health Canada conduct any studies on the impact of public drug use on children? If so, can the minister please provide such information to the House?
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- May/29/24 10:30:36 p.m.
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Madam Chair, decriminalization as a tool is one that is well used in many jurisdictions across the world.
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- May/29/24 10:30:48 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I will take that as a “no”.
When the minister decided to rescind the open drug use policy, was it because she heard, like me, that children were being exposed to hard drugs at schools and in parks?
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- May/29/24 10:31:01 p.m.
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Madam Chair, B.C. requested an amendment to its exemption and we worked with B.C., as we always have done and will continue to do, to ensure that there is a balance between public health and public safety in all spaces.
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- May/29/24 10:31:16 p.m.
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Madam Chair, does the minister's decision account for the open and brazen use of drugs on B.C.'s public transit system?
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- May/29/24 10:31:26 p.m.
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Madam Chair, B.C.'s application was prepared with a myriad of experts in many fields, including chiefs of police, health experts and public safety experts. This is the work that we need to do collaboratively to address the problem.
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- May/29/24 10:31:44 p.m.
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Madam Chair, given that drug toxicity is the leading cause of death for children between the ages of 10 and 18, should schoolteachers and parents be trained on how to deal with overdoses?
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- May/29/24 10:31:57 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I am happy to talk about the “Know More” opioids awareness program, which is what we have implemented in schools across this country, and continue to do, to help inform and educate.
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- May/29/24 10:32:08 p.m.
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Madam Chair, at the Mission legion, veterans clean up needles and confront crack smoking daily. Do veterans and legion volunteers need to be trained on overdose scenarios and public safety to keep their property safe and protect life?
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- May/29/24 10:32:23 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I would like to talk about the training and distribution of naloxone kits that we have done across the country for many communities and institutions. There have been 1.5 million naloxone kits distributed by the federal government, and even more so through our provincial co-operation.
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- May/29/24 10:32:39 p.m.
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Madam Chair, B.C. businesses across the province have reported deteriorating public safety. The Surrey Board of Trade called it a “crime tax”. Does the minister agree with the Surrey Board of Trade that decriminalization is effectively a crime tax on small businesses?
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- May/29/24 10:32:57 p.m.
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Madam Chair, we will address this overdose crisis with every tool we have available, because communities are asking us to do so. I would encourage the member to speak to his community, to local law enforcement and also to his local provincial jurisdiction on what work—
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- May/29/24 10:33:14 p.m.
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The hon. member has 19 seconds.
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- May/29/24 10:33:16 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I would encourage the minister to visit the Abbotsford Soccer Association and address the fear that parents have due to the loss of public order caused by the government's policy. Will the minister meet with the Abbotsford Soccer Association?
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- May/29/24 10:33:34 p.m.
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Madam Chair, we have met with many communities. Will the Leader of the Opposition meet with Moms Stop the Harm?
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- May/29/24 10:33:46 p.m.
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Madam Chair, I will start by talking, and then I will have some questions for the Minister of Mental Health and Addictions. I will let you know at the outset that I do not expect you to limit the time for responses to the time of my questions, if you would allow that.
I talked, in my first intervention this evening, about the common-sense revolution of Mike Harris and what that did for health care. This time I want to talk about the war on drugs in the 1980s and how successful that was. The reason I want to do that is that it is very clear the Conservative approach to drug policy is very similar to the 1980s approach to the war on drugs.
I was probably between the ages of eight and let us say 12 during Nancy Reagan's big push for “Just Say No.” It was Nancy Reagan, the First Lady of the United States, President Reagan's wife, who was leading the charge on the new-found approach to dealing with drugs, which was to just say no. How hard is it? All one has to do is just say no, and it is done. One does not have to worry about any of the problems that are associated with drugs.
That was, on the surface, what the issue was about, and that is, on the surface, how the Conservatives want to approach the current epidemics and issues with drug usage. However, under the surface of the war on drugs, something else was going on, which was a war against particular individuals in society who were being cast as problematic individuals who could not abide by the law. They were cast as people who were utilizing drugs based on just their own desire to do so, even though, according to the war on drugs, they could have stopped at any time they wanted. We all know that is not true.
What it did was that it took a policy approach of criminalizing to the maximum degree possible. In the United States, three strikes of simple possession of marijuana in some states would land someone in prison. There were situations where vast numbers of people were rounded up and incarcerated as a result of drug usage, quite often because it was something they could not control. For an individual who has an addiction, it is not as simple as to just say, “No, I do not want that.”
I speak as somebody who has experience of having lived with somebody with an addiction, somebody who is no longer with us. She passed away. When I was a city councillor in the city of Kingston, my partner at the time, whom I lived with, was addicted to alcohol. Ultimately she ended up dying as a result of her addiction.
One might ask why she did not just stop drinking. It is that simple, is it not? I remember having numerous conversations with her about it. I remember her going into the hospital, Kingston General Hospital, which would hold someone for 72 hours before letting them out. I remember her trying repeatedly on her own, and going to special places where people would try to help her with her addiction. It did not matter. She kept going back to the place of using in order to support her addiction because it provided a certain level of comfort and because it was helping her deal with other problems she had previously had in her life. It was mental health.
At the core of the issue is how one treats an addiction. Does one treat an addiction for the mental health crisis that it is, or does one treat it as a criminal offence and treat it how Conservatives want to treat mental health and addictions, which is by telling people that all they have to do is just say no, and if they do not, that they are going to go to prison? That is the approach of the Conservatives. It is a failed approach and an approach we know does not work.
My friend Kate, my partner at the time, is no longer with us. She eventually ended up getting to a point where she passed away, and she had been deceased for over a week before anybody discovered her. Because of the addictions that she had, she had pushed everybody out of her life.
We can approach this by just asking why Kate did not just say no and stop drinking. We can ask why these drug users will not just stop using; it is that easy. Otherwise, we can treat it as the real problem it is. We can treat addictions as the real issues and the real mental health challenges that they are.
I know first-hand that trying to cut people off is never the solution, and it never works. That is why I am very proud to sit on a side of the House that treats mental health and addictions as the real health challenges that they are.
I am very concerned when I hear Conservatives harking back to the days of Nancy Reagan as though that approach could work today when it did not work before. It is really important that we do things from an evidence-based approach, which is why I am glad to see our government and the minister, in particular, doing that.
I have some questions for the minister that I would like to turn to now.
Conservatives talk about investing in treatment, but they cut two-thirds of drug treatment funds when they were last in government.
Let us talk about what saves lives, such as safe consumption sites. There is a safe consumption site in Kingston. We have not had an overdose crisis similar to the one that my neighbouring community in Belleville witnessed recently. I like to think it is because there was a safe consumption site in Kingston. We also have other health care services, such as prevention, treatment and harm reduction.
Can the minister please tell us about how we are supporting life-saving actions instead of slogans?
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