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House Hansard - 328

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 10, 2024 11:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 328 - Jun/10/24
Hon. Steven MacKinnon
  • Jun/10/24 4:02:51 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, a letter addressed to the chair of the Standing Committee on Public Accounts from the Auditor General has been received but was not widely disseminated. In the letter, the Auditor General recommends that the House, first of all, take notice of what she writes in the letter, which says that it would be detrimental to her work if the motion that we are about to vote on should pass, and that already measures are in place that would address the matter in the motion. So I would like to— Some hon. members: No.
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The Speaker
  • Jun/10/24 4:03:31 p.m.
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Order. Any minister can table a motion as long as it is available in both official languages. I am assuming that the document is in the proper form, in both official languages. The member for Vancouver East is rising on a point of order.
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Ms. Jenny Kwan
  • Jun/10/24 4:04:21 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-71 
Mr. Speaker, consultation has taken place, and I believe that if you seek it you will find unanimous consent for the following motion. That notwithstanding any standing order, special order or usual practices of the House, Bill C-71, an act to amend the Citizenship Act, be deemed to have been read a second time— Some hon. members: No.
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The Speaker
  • Jun/10/24 4:04:40 p.m.
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Once again I will remind members that when they seek unanimous consent, they should follow the example of the member for Lac-Saint-Jean and try to obtain unanimous consent so the time of the House is used most efficiently.
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The Speaker
  • Jun/10/24 4:06:04 p.m.
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It being 4:05 p.m., the House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the amendment to the motion of the member for Regina—Qu'Appelle relating to Business of Supply. Call in the members.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/10/24 4:20:07 p.m.
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I declare the amendment carried. The next question is on the main motion.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/10/24 4:32:12 p.m.
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I declare the motion, as amended, carried.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/10/24 4:34:20 p.m.
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  • Re: Bill C-20 
The House will now proceed to the taking of the deferred recorded division on the motion at report stage of Bill C-20. The question is on Motion No. 1.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/10/24 4:44:20 p.m.
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I declare Motion No. 1 rejected.
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Hon. Mona Fortier
  • Jun/10/24 4:45:01 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I believe that if you seek it, you will find unanimous consent to apply the result from the previous vote to this vote, with Liberal members voting yea.
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Hon. Filomena Tassi (Hamilton West—Ancaster—Dundas, Lib.)
  • Jun/10/24 4:45:01 p.m.
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moved that the bill, as amended, be concurred in.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/10/24 4:45:01 p.m.
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If a member participating in person wishes that the motion be carried or carried on division, or if a member of a recognized party participating in person wishes to request a recorded division, I would invite them to rise and indicate it to the Chair.
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Hon. Kerry-Lynne Findlay
  • Jun/10/24 4:45:18 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, Conservatives agree to apply the vote, with Conservatives voting yea.
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Ms. Marie-Hélène Gaudreau
  • Jun/10/24 4:45:30 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the Bloc Québécois agrees to apply the vote. We will be voting in favour and adding the votes of the members for Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques and Shefford.
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Ms. Heather McPherson
  • Jun/10/24 4:45:48 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the NDP agrees to apply the vote, and we will be voting yes.
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Ms. Elizabeth May
  • Jun/10/24 4:46:03 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the Greens agree to apply the vote and will be voting in favour as well.
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The Deputy Speaker
  • Jun/10/24 4:46:45 p.m.
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I declare the motion carried. When shall the bill be read a third time? Later today? Some hon. members: Agreed. The Deputy Speaker: It is my duty pursuant to Standing Order 38 to inform the House that the questions to be raised tonight at the time of adjournment are as follows: the hon. member for Nunavut, Housing; the hon. member for Stormont—Dundas—South Glengarry, The Economy; the hon. member for York—Simcoe, Carbon Pricing.
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Hon. Andrew Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle, CPC)
  • Jun/10/24 4:47:24 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I wanted to add some additional comments regarding the question of privilege raised by the NDP's deputy House leader. In her comments on Thursday, as in her original submissions the week prior, the member for London—Fanshawe failed to offer any arguments that would extend the applicable requirements for the Speaker's impartiality to the other chair occupants. For his part, the hon. Member for Mégantic—L'Érable cited at length from House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition, as well as rulings delivered from the Chair, in 1993 and 2023, on the subject matter. The NDP deputy House leader failed to answer those points and explain how well-established precedents should be thrown out the window. Finally, the hon. member for London—Fanshawe neglected to address the NDP's disappointing hypocrisy in raising these concerns, all while the NDP website leverages the hon. member for Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing's Assistant Deputy Speaker title for fundraising and volunteer recruitment purposes. Her silence speaks volumes. I would just like to point out that when my colleague raised this point, the response from the NDP House leader was to refer to the question of privilege as “the dumbest question of privilege” he has ever heard. I agree with him. I just believe that his comments should be addressed to the member for London—Fanshawe's raising of the original point, not to the point that my colleague, the deputy leader for the Conservatives, made, which is that, if the New Democrats were upset with the original point, they should look at their own examples before they raised theirs in the House of Commons. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would urge you to agree with my hon. friend, the deputy leader for the official opposition, that there is no question of privilege here.
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Hon. Andrew Scheer (Regina—Qu'Appelle, CPC)
  • Jun/10/24 4:49:15 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, while I am on my feet, I would also like to address the question of privilege raised by the hon. member for Winnipeg Centre regarding the hon. member for Saskatoon West. First, I am pleased to hear that she accepted the apology of our colleague when he rose on Thursday morning to advise the House that he had misspoken one word. It is an age-old tradition in this place that we accept the word and the apologies of our colleagues. That said, it apparently did not draw a line under the matter, so we are left to address the question of privilege raised concerning the accuracy of the Debates. I will read from page 1229 of House of Commons Procedure and Practice, third edition: The availability of the blues on the House of Commons’ internal website permits Members and their authorized delegates to use the web page or email to submit suggested changes for Parliamentary Publications editorial staff to consider.... It is a long-standing practice of the House that editors of the Debates may exercise judgment as to whether or not changes suggested by Members constitute the correction of an error or a minor alteration. These practices were the subject of a very recently delivered ruling by the Speaker; on May 30, at page 24087 of the Debates, he said: While the Debates are published under the authority of the Chair, the House should know that the Chair plays no part in editing the Debates. The editors of the Parliamentary Publications team craft a record that, in their judgment, best corresponds to the proceedings, without political interference and in a completely non-partisan manner. The editors may make changes to the records of the House proceedings, whether or not those changes are proposed by members, in accordance with their own guidelines and long-standing practices. If the Speaker himself plays no part in editing Hansard, then it must similarly follow that a private member on the opposition benches could claim no power or authority to override the editors' guidelines and long-standing practices. I would respectfully submit that, on that basis alone, the question of privilege must be dismissed. In any event, though, I would also refer the Chair to these comments, found on pages 1229 to 1230 of Bosc and Gagnon, where we read: Substantial errors in the Debates, as opposed to editorial changes, must be brought to the attention of the House by means of a point of order as soon as possible after the sitting, if a Member wishes to have the record changed.... When a question arises in the House as to the accuracy of the record, it is the responsibility of the Speaker to look into the matter. In short, the correct procedure would have been for a point of order, not a question of privilege, to address a concern of this nature with Hansard. Therefore, the question of privilege must also fail on these grounds. Nonetheless, I would underscore for the House that the member for Saskatoon West has done the honourable thing. He apologized and advised that he had misspoken one word, thereby properly correcting the record to reflect the intention of his remarks. As such, Mr. Speaker, I would submit that you may now simply find the matter to be closed.
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Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)
  • Jun/10/24 4:52:22 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, pursuant to Standing Order 36(8)(a), I have the honour to table, in both official languages, the government's response to 10 petitions. These returns will be tabled in an electronic format.
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