44th Parl. 1st Sess.
June 12, 2024 02:00PM
- Jun/12/24 2:38:47 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I think we should just put aside the disagreement and even the debate on this. Let us come to a resolution here that will bring a lot of calm to the millions of Canadians who are worried about their taxes going up. The minister claims that only the 0.13% wealthiest Canadians would pay, so why not just enshrine that in law?
Will the minister commit today to passing an amendment to her tax bill stating that no one whose income is in the bottom 99.87% would pay any new taxes at all?
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- Jun/12/24 2:39:43 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I want to quote some interesting words that were stated in the House of Commons: “The monstrous increases in capital gains...[are] making the rich vastly richer and creating a kind of aristocratic feudal economy”. Do members know who said that? The member for Carleton did.
We agree the current system is unfair. We are pushing against it. What made the member, after eight weeks of dithering, change his mind?
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- Jun/12/24 2:40:24 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we are simply asking the minister to put her words in law. She has claimed that no one who earns less than the top 0.13% of income in the country would be affected.
Once again, will she amend her bill to say that no one who is in the bottom 99.87% of income earners would pay any new tax increase whatsoever, yes or no?
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- Jun/12/24 2:41:00 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, let us review what we have learned so far in question period today. First, the Leader of the Official Opposition does not even understand how the capital gains inclusion rate works. That is a problem. Second, the Leader of the Official Opposition disavows his own words in the House about capital gains. However, probably the most important thing is that the average income in Carleton is $58,400. Carleton's MP is not on the side of working people earning that wage in his own riding. That is shameful.
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- Jun/12/24 2:41:42 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I am just quoting right now from the minister's own budget speech, where she said that for 99.87% of Canadians there will be no extra capital gains tax.
She put it in her speech, so why will she not put it in the law?
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- Jun/12/24 2:42:21 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, for about 20 years, the Conservative leader has been skulking around this place without really much contact with the outside world. In the nine years that the Conservatives have been over there, they have voted against a child benefit, a dental plan, a prescription drug plan and a child care plan. Every time Canadians look to him to stand up for their interests, for fairness in Canada, he takes a seat.
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- Jun/12/24 2:42:55 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I see they have pulled the finance minister off the ice. She cannot answer a question.
The minister will not guarantee in law that the bottom 99.87% of Canadians will pay nothing, so let us make it a little bit easier for her. She claimed that she does not want welders to have to pay more.
Will the minister amend her bill to ensure that not a single welder anywhere in Canada would be forced to pay the tax increase, yes or no?
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- Jun/12/24 2:43:50 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we will take no lessons from the Conservatives. Generational fairness is key to Canadians. That is why, in the last budget, we presented measures to build this country, measures to invest in our economy, measures to invest in the middle class and measures to help Canadians. Our capital gains tax change would help Canadians.
On this side of the House, can members believe the Conservatives voted against tax fairness? On this side of the House, we will fight for Canadians; we will fight for the middle class.
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- Jun/12/24 2:44:41 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, are they okay over there?
An hon. member: They are a little wacko.
Hon. Pierre Poilievre: I will not call them wacko, Mr. Speaker; that is unparliamentary.
I just have a very simple question. This is for the finance minister, if she is not still in hiding. The finance minister said she does not want welders to have to pay more. Will she put an amendment in her tax bill to say that not one single welder would face a tax increase?
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- Jun/12/24 2:45:29 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, in any given year, 0.13% of Canadians will pay a modest increase in their taxable gains. However, I hear the leader across, who has never seen a support for a single Canadian that he is prepared to vote for, talking about sidelining people. He sidelines that entire caucus in every single question period. We hear from him, yawning and yawning, giving misinformation all the time. He should unchain the rest of the people over there.
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- Jun/12/24 2:46:46 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, this morning, La Presse described the fiasco surrounding the app used by the Canada Border Services Agency, known as the assessment and revenue management system, or CARM. CARM is like ArriveCAN, an app with cost overruns amounting to $300 million and counting.
Like ArriveCAN, the Canada Border Services Agency is behind its development too. Just like ArriveCAN, the Coradix company, now suspended from submitting government tenders, had a small contract in that. In short, it is a different app, but the same fiasco, the same entity responsible and the same government.
It sure seems like the wild west over at the agency, so what is the minister doing to set it straight?
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- Jun/12/24 2:47:28 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we clearly understand the concerns of exporters and other Canadian businesses that deal with the Canada Border Services Agency. That is why we delayed a certain aspect of the app's rollout.
I am well aware of the concerns, and I am going to make sure that the CBSA does things the right way.
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- Jun/12/24 2:47:55 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, the CARM app is like ArriveCAN. It is a money pit. However, it is also like Phoenix in that it does not work. Enough is enough.
This is serious, since the app is supposed to collect duties at the Canada-U.S. border. Some 3.5 billion dollars' worth of transactions take place every day at the border. Imagine the chaos if it fails.
That is why, back in March, the Standing Committee on International Trade asked the Canada Border Services Agency for documents, including contingency plans in case the app stops working. It is now June, and the committee has not received anything.
Will the minister force the CBSA to hand over the documents so that the fiasco can be fixed?
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- Jun/12/24 2:48:38 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I will see to it that the CBSA provides the Standing Committee on International Trade with all the appropriate documents, that is, the requested documents.
I have also had a number of discussions with CBSA officials to ensure that the scenario the member is raising does not happen.
I will also continue to work with the CBSA.
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- Jun/12/24 2:49:06 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, I know that the Liberals are demanding I stop asking questions. I can understand why; the finance minister has gone into hiding and stopped answering them. She has claimed that no one except the richest 0.13% will pay any new tax, but the greatest university economist in Canada, Jack Mintz, has reported that 1.25 million will pay. Let us not dispute who is right or wrong.
Will the minister accept an amendment to her bill to ensure that not a single plumber will have to pay any extra taxes under this proposal?
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- Jun/12/24 2:49:49 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we can see how nervous and how anxious the Conservatives are. They spent eight weeks terrified of saying anything about capital gains, and today the Conservative leader is so anxious that he does not trust a single member of his caucus to say a word. I have sympathy for them because they have shown how phony they are. They have had a chance to be on the side of working people, on the side of fairness. They have shown whose side they are really on.
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- Jun/12/24 2:50:32 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, will the finance minister exempt all carpenters from her tax increase, yes or no?
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- Jun/12/24 2:50:44 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, we presented every single member of the House with a very clear and, actually, really easy choice. Do they think someone who makes a salary of $58,000 a year, such as a person in Carleton whose only income is their wage, should pay tax at a higher marginal rate than someone earning capital gains of more than $250,000 a year? It is not complicated, but it is complicated for them.
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- Jun/12/24 2:51:24 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, a lot of restaurant owners will pay this tax increase on their very first dollar of investment gains inside a company. That is a fact. They earn $58,000 a year. It is a very simple question. If what I am saying is wrong, there is a very simple solution.
Will the minister commit to amending her bill to say that any retiring restaurant owner who has been earning $58,000 a year will be fully exempt from any of these tax increases?
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- Jun/12/24 2:52:02 p.m.
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Mr. Speaker, there was once a Conservative prime minister. His name was John Diefenbaker. He was from the Prairies, like me and like the Conservative leader. He set up a royal commission on taxation, and Ken Carter led that commission. Ken Carter memorably said, “a buck is a buck is a buck.” He thought that all one's income, whether it is a capital gain or is made through hard work, should be taxed. However, these Conservatives have shown their true colours. They are just not on the side of working people, and they are embarrassed.
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