Senator Pate: Thank you. We certainly heard that. We also heard, though, from scholars like Professor Debra Parkes and PhD candidate Elspeth Kaiser-Derrick — leading scholars in this area — that, in fact, it will make virtually no difference in terms of the incarceration rates of Indigenous women, in large part because of the context in which they are incarcerated and the fact that mandatory minimum penalties drive so many guilty pleas. I believe the figure that Elspeth Kaiser-Derrick quoted was 77% of the Indigenous women’s cases that she looked at. In addition, Debra Parkes mentioned that approximately half of the Indigenous women who are being jailed for life sentences are women who have responded to violence.

It strikes me that the evidence presented at committee actually shifted much further toward the need to go further. I’m curious, what are the next steps that the government is proposing to address these issues to create what you describe as the need for more compassionate and safe environments?