Hon. Yuen Pau Woo: Thank you, Senator Wells, for your speech. You make some important points about the unique nature of agriculture in relation to the use of fossil fuels. The value of a carbon tax is greatest when it has few exemptions. My question with respect to the issue of agriculture being price takers is that prices go up and they go down, of course. Sometimes world prices go up to a point where there are windfall profits for farms, and sometimes they go down to the point where farms are at jeopardy of going bankrupt.

The traditional remedy for these kinds of problems in economics is price and income support. Why don’t we look to that kind of protection, if I can put it that way, rather than fiddling with a carbon tax and creating a carve out that might distort incentives away from our combined and collective goal of reducing carbon emissions?

Senator Wells: Thank you for that question, Senator Woo — it’s a good one. I don’t look at this as a carve out. This is an expansion to the exemptions that were provided in an earlier act. I think there was an oversight and, in fact, the chair of the House Agriculture Committee noted that, that this was an oversight. In fact, he supported this bill in the House.

This is also part of a program for farmers. I don’t think they want subsidies. Perhaps they will take them, but I think they just want a business that works for them and, where eligible, expenses at times when there are alternative fuels or alternative processes, they will use those. Right now, there are no alternative fuels or processes besides natural gas and propane, which are both, as you know, considered transition fuels.

They want to get better, but that’s why there’s a sunset clause on this. It would have to be considered to be renewed; it’s not ongoing. It automatically cancels after eight years.

Canadian farmers, growers and ranchers want to get better. They’re part of the solution in the environmental debate. I think this exemption simply expands where an oversight occurred in the earlier legislation.