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House Hansard - 75

44th Parl. 1st Sess.
May 19, 2022 10:00AM
Context: House Hansard - 75 - May/19/22
Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:09:01 p.m.
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Madam Chair, that is still in the design phase.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:09:05 p.m.
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Madam Chair, when is the first ship expected to be delivered?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:09:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, we are working out the exact dates and details.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:09:14 p.m.
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Madam Chair, that is funny, because in a previous OGGO meeting, years ago, we were actually given a date, and now it is being decided. An Order Paper delivered by the government stated that the costs for the Coast Guard AOPS would be $750 million per ship. Irving Shipbuilding testified just last week it would be considerably less. Who is telling the truth?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:09:35 p.m.
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Madam Chair, as I have said before, we continue to monitor these contracts, and we will share the specifics and details once the contracts are signed and commitments have been made.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:09:46 p.m.
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Madam Chair, how can the government state $750 million publicly on an Order Paper question when the shipyard is saying less? Now we are hearing that the government does not know the exact number and cannot release that information.
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:10:00 p.m.
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Madam Chair, this is an estimated budget, and we are going to continue to work. We will be open and transparent with respect to numbers when they are confirmed.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:10:09 p.m.
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Madam Chair, at no point in the Order Paper does it say it is an estimated cost. It says the cost provided by the government. Irving, the shipbuilder, says it is considerably less. Again, who is telling the truth?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:10:21 p.m.
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Madam Chair, again, this is estimated at this point. When it is confirmed, we will share those numbers.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:10:27 p.m.
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Madam Chair, has the contract been signed for the two AOPS for the Coast Guard?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:10:32 p.m.
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Madam Chair, no contract has been signed.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:10:37 p.m.
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Madam Chair, PSPC 2019-2020 achieved just 58% of their planned targets, yet the executives were paid out over $8 million in bonuses. Last year, PSPC failed to achieve over one-third of their targets, as noted in their departmental plans. Would the minister confirm she will not be approving executive bonuses for such failure?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:11:01 p.m.
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Madam Chair, my understanding is that bonuses are being paid based on the terms of their contract agreements.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:11:10 p.m.
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Madam Chair, the terms of their contract agreements also include making their targets, as noted in the departmental plans, so will the minister be paying out bonuses to executives for the failure from last year?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:11:21 p.m.
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Madam Chair, actually, I would never refer to the work of public servants as a failure.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:11:30 p.m.
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Madam Chair, missing one-third of their targets is not a success. One target missed by PSPC was paying public servants accurately and on time. It missed this by a whopping 23%. Will the minister confirm that she will not be approving executive bonuses for this failure?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:11:46 p.m.
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Madam Chair, we had complications with Phoenix, something that was left to us by the opposition. Public servants are working very hard to correct this, because public servants should be paid accurately and on time.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:12:02 p.m.
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Madam Chair, these targets were not left by the opposition party; they were made by the minister. It was a Liberal government that enacted Phoenix, over the opposition of the OGGO committee. Two other targets missed were increasing contracts to women-owned businesses and increasing them to indigenous-owned businesses, despite their prominent roles in the departmental plans. Will PSPC be paying executive bonuses for missing these targets?
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Hon. Filomena Tassi
  • May/19/22 8:12:30 p.m.
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Madam Chair, as I have said, executive bonuses that are paid out are paid in accordance with the contracts. We will honour the terms of the contracts. With respect to the previous point on Phoenix, the work has resulted from what we inherited, and that work remains ongoing to correct the system.
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Mr. Kelly McCauley
  • May/19/22 8:12:54 p.m.
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Madam Chair, not one but two Auditor General reports on Phoenix actually contradict what the minister just stated. Now, the Minister of Small Business in this place said, “I would encourage everyone to shop local.” Does the minister agree with this statement?
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